Real GM- The Accelerated Rebuild

[The Midnight]

Regarding the above, I love Watson and think he has all the intangibles we'd look for in a 1. The only problem is his 3pt shot. Also, what's the knock on Calderon? I've always liked his game from what little I've seen and like his numbers, but whenever people speak of him it's that he's "not a starter". Also, I wouldn't mind a guy like Hinrich.

It seems he has some pretty good stats. High assists # and OK 3pt %.

I'd probably say the knock on him would probably be his defense (he's not the most physical player) and he seems to be too erratic in the way he runs the offense (could just be how they play).

I don't know - I would trust Watson more if I'd have to hire someone to run my team.

 

[vslice02]

Also, what's the knock on Calderon?

Very good on offense - can really do it all. Dreadful defensive player. Dreadful.

 

[billyshelby]

This. If Favors and Kanter show the kind of development I hope this coming season, then a trade of either Jefferson or Millsap is definitely in the cards - but that's a trade you can make before all-star break (if Favors/Kanter demonstrate an accelerated progression) or more ideally during the 2012 draft (when hopefully Utah will also have an 8-14 G.S. pick at their disposal to either move up or find an established/high-quality wing.

And if something unexpected happens along the way (slow development, injuries, ect), then you've still got two legitimate NBA bigmen who can keep your team afloat so you're not just the league doormat.

The crazy thing is you never assume 19 or 20 year old players can produce. Favors is a great bet to handle backup minutes, an iffy bet as a starter given his offensive limitations at this point. Kanter is a total, total unknown. Okur is the best 5th/4th big man any team in the league could dream of. With the youth and injury issues of the last 3, just leave that 5 man rotation alone for now. It's absolutely killer in virtually any combination. And between the 5, we've got probably the best depth in the league (which is not to be confused with having the best 2 starters in the league at the 4/5)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Regarding the above, I love Watson and think he has all the intangibles we'd look for in a 1. The only problem is his 3pt shot. Also, what's the knock on Calderon? I've always liked his game from what little I've seen and like his numbers, but whenever people speak of him it's that he's "not a starter". Also, I wouldn't mind a guy like Hinrich.

Hinrich would be perfect in an offense with play making wingw. Good defender and can shoot well.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Calderon is a great piece for an offense whether you want to be PG dominant or not. Offensively, he's a dream for the "you don't need a great PG, but you obviously want one that doesn't make mistakes and can make a definite impact". But the D, yeah, that's a problem,. Again, if you think you can make your defense really good then it's not as much of a problem, especially since I firmly believe if you are smart and put in the effort, you can hang defensively and I see that in him. It's just that Toronto has always been a horrible defensive team and certainly any mistake a guy guarding the ball makes there, there's no one else there to do anything. But in order to maximize what he does on the court, you'd better have the coaching, culture, and strategy to make up for his less-than-ideal and deteriorating physical attributes for D.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I'd trade Harris for Calderon since at least Calderon's offensive game is going to age very well (relies on uncanny passing instincts and a good skill level there to pair with a terrific jump-shooting ability), whereas Harris' offensive game is going to dramatically suffer in the next 3 years.

That is, if we're looking at keeping Harris longterm. My first choice is to parlay him into something younger.

 

[Stifle Tower]

https://basketball.realgm.com/article/214418/The_Accelerated_Rebuild

Very complimentary article on Utah's Deron Williams' trade and draft.
If only Utah treated Deron right when they traded him (e.g., him not hearing it first from ESPN), then they could re-sign him in a year with this fantastic young core and he could win a Championship. Deron Williams, Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter could be an impressive starting five, if everyone develops right. I'll keep dreaming about it.

They did treat him right. The trade had not yet been cleared by the NBA and someone - either in the league office or in New Jersey - leaked it to ESPN. KOC plays it by the book. There are often trades that get rejected for one reason or another and have to be tweaked or subsequently fall apart (example the "almost" trade of AK last pre-season). Can't recall the other one in the Eastern Conference that was announced at the deadline and then didn't end up going through. Pretty awkward for the players involved when that happens. Jazz FO was waiting to call Deron just as soon as the league approved the deal.

 

[Stifle Tower]

This. If Favors and Kanter show the kind of development I hope this coming season, then a trade of either Jefferson or Millsap is definitely in the cards - but that's a trade you can make before all-star break (if Favors/Kanter demonstrate an accelerated progression) or more ideally during the 2012 draft (when hopefully Utah will also have an 8-14 G.S. pick at their disposal to either move up or find an established/high-quality wing.

And if something unexpected happens along the way (slow development, injuries, ect), then you've still got two legitimate NBA bigmen [Al & Sap] who can keep your team afloat so you're not just the league doormat.

Well said, billyshelby and vslice. Kanter could be Darko Redux. Favors showed good promise, but he could end up as a rebounder/shotblocker with a below average offensive game if he chooses not to work hard at his game. I mean, we all thought AK was going to be one of the top-5 players in the game 7 years ago and look what happened.

Millsap and Jefferson are close to 20/10 guys and they've been at a high level for a number of years. Wait until at LEAST the deadline to make a deal.

 

[infection]

Which AK deal last preseason?

 

[Stifle Tower]

No one knows the specifics of the new CBA, but the Jazz almost certainly will still be over the cap. So the only way they can re-sign Deron Williams is if he signs for the MLE. Not too likely.

Okur comes off the books next summer. Jazz would definitely need to move Harris, Millsap or Jefferson, but that would be doable.

 

[Archie Moses]

https://basketball.realgm.com/article/214418/The_Accelerated_Rebuild

Very complimentary article on Utah's Deron Williams' trade and draft.
If only Utah treated Deron right when they traded him (e.g., him not hearing it first from ESPN), then they could re-sign him in a year with this fantastic young core and he could win a Championship. Deron Williams, Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter could be an impressive starting five, if everyone develops right. I'll keep dreaming about it.

We will be much better in the short future without Williams imo.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Which AK deal last preseason?

The rumor was a multi-team deal that would have resulted in Utah getting Diaw.

https://www.saltcityhoops.com/ak-trade-talk-boris-diaw/

 

[infection]

The rumor was a multi-team deal that would have resulted in Utah getting Diaw.

https://www.saltcityhoops.com/ak-trade-talk-boris-diaw/

Oh yeah. For as much of an AK hater I am, that was an awful deal.

It looks like Calderon has a bigger contract than Harris. If we were able to swap them and pick up a draft choice, though, it'd be nice. Same goes for Hinrich. I'd swap Harris to pick up Atlanta's 2012, assuming they still have it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Man, it would sure be great if Burks could play PG a la Penny Hardaway. Then we could bring in another superstar wing scorer.

 

[green]

Looking at past champions would conflict with that.

Dallas - Dirk (not really a wing but a hybrid F/C who plays a lot like a wing and can create his own shot from anywhere)
Lakers - Kobe
Boston - Allen, Pierce
SA - Ginobili Parker
Miami - Wade
Detroit - Billups Hamilton

This should probably be who the Jazz should be dangling Millsap/Jefferson/Okur/Harris/GSW pick for.

A little skewed in your reality. Dallas had 3 seven footers.
Lakers had two, Pau and Bynum
Boston had Garnett and Perkins
SA had Duncan
Miami had Shaq
Detriot had Wallace and Wallace

We need a scoring wing, but we need a big guy as well. If Kanter and/or Favors can become elite, then Hayward and Burks and good young pg are good enough. All of those champion teams had good team defense, a big guy to get a couple of points at the end of games when they are up 10, AND good outside shooting/guy who could create his own shot.

If Kanter or Favors can become a legit big, the Jazz learn to play team defense, we are a solid SF and PG away from competing. If Kanter or Favors do not become big time, well, we are the Deron/Boozer Jazz once again, and will have to wait for some of our players to get big enough to leave and put us back in the lottery.

 

[green]

The problem with this list is there are hugely important big men without which these guys don't win titles.

Dallas -- Dirk was their big man. He's an enormous mismatch for 4's. Miami didn't even bother guarding him with Bosh (except when they paid for it)
Lakers -- Bynum, Gasol.
Boston -- No Way they beat the Lakers without Garnett.
SA -- Duncan
Miami -- Shaq (but definitely the weakest example)
Detroit -- They held teams to like 19 points. Rasheed and Wallace were enormous.

I completely get you're not saying a wing is all you need or that other guys aren't important. But when you've got 20 year old Favors and 19 year old Kanter, neither of whom have proven a thing, you don't just assume they'll both be great and trade established bigs. You wait to see what you've got.

Sorry, you beat me to it. I hadn't read your post yet.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It looks like Calderon has a bigger contract than Harris.

True, but in the scheme of things, it isn't much of a difference. I generally feel that Harris' value is greater even without that and the Jazz could get some additional assets if it came down to it. I also think Calderon would be a better mentor if the Jazz ever find a guy at the position that's young and needs some mentoring since his game is totally predicated on skills and fundamentals.

But whatever.

 

[BENTLEY]

Man, it would sure be great if Burks could play PG a la Penny Hardaway. Then we could bring in another superstar wing scorer.

I would love a 6' 6" PG.
I also like Earl a lot too though for the time being, and I'm eager to see Harris revitalize his career in Utah. THEN they can trade him.
AND I think Heinrich would be great running the Jazz. I like him a lot better than Calderon.

 

[BENTLEY]

The Jazz' starting wing is in the 2012 draft.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The Jazz' starting wing is in the 2012 draft.

Which ones you like? Any order of preference yet?