You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Handlogten's Heros]

And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.

Their situation is completely unique... they added a former all star back to a team after young guys had success and had somewhat selfish dudes (like Marcus Morris) along with literally everyone looking to get paid or establish their value. So completely different. They also got trounced by a team that might win the title.

Portland let Ed Davis walk and he was close with Dame and a vet leader... they made it to the conference finals. Rockets let Ariza walk... they kicked our ***. Milwaukee turned over a good portion of their roster and are doing just fine... Toronto traded great dude Demar DeRozan for enigma Kawhi Leonard... they seem like they okay.

Favs has been great. I appreciate his approach... we can't give guys $18M because they are good culture dudes... they have to be worth $18M on the court and be good culture dudes.

 

[LoPo]

Their situation is completely unique... they added a former all star back to a team after young guys had success and had somewhat selfish dudes (like Marcus Morris) along with literally everyone looking to get paid or establish their value. So completely different. They also got trounced by a team that might win the title.

Portland let Ed Davis walk and he was close with Dame and a vet leader... they made it to the conference finals. Rockets let Ariza walk... they kicked our ***. Milwaukee turned over a good portion of their roster and are doing just fine... Toronto traded great dude Demar DeRozan for enigma Kawhi Leonard... they seem like they okay.

Favs has been great. I appreciate his approach... we can't give guys $18M because they are good culture dudes... they have to be worth $18M on the court and be good culture dudes.

I've already said it now 101 times - I wouldn't give Favors $18 million. I would waive and re-sign. If he gets picked up or decides to sign elsewhere, so be it. Waive Favors, go after big free agents, likely fail, bring back Favors at $12ish.

This whole Favors debate comes down to our ability to sign better players. If we can, let's do it. If we have the choice of Mirotic or Favors, just stick with Favors. That lateral move isn't worth it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we have a step back if we replace favors with the people you are talking about. I only replace favors if we land a really good player.

It's crazy how much our own fans under appreciate Favors and his impact.

The Donovan lineups are too few of minutes to draw any real conclusion from.

The point is that any time they've played together with a shooting PG the team played very well. Ideally favors plays all the backup center minutes and some of the PF minutes. Personally I would rather upgrade Crowder than Favors. Favors was our best player in the playoffs and our 3rd best player on the team. Favors needs more minutes and more plays ran for him.

Priority for me is upgrading the PG spot or SG spot if you move Mitchell over. 2nd priority is tied between a wing upgrade and a PF upgrade. But a star player at any position besides center takes priority if you can land it.

The Jazz won't do it but I think our best move is to trade Gobert and start Favors. Favors is almost as good and is better in many situations like against the rockets and probably golden state. Plus Gobert could land us a much better player in a trade. But I know it won't happen.

I like how you said we under appreciate Favors and in the same post think we should trade Gobert… who is our identity. I like Favs... he's the worst kind of redundant for us though... It will be easier to address our issues long and short term by using his cap allocation elsewhere.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've already said it now 101 times - I wouldn't give Favors $18 million. I would waive and re-sign. If he gets picked up or decides to sign elsewhere, so be it. Waive Favors, go after big free agents, likely fail, bring back Favors at $12ish.

This whole Favors debate comes down to our ability to sign better players. If we can, let's do it. If we have the choice of Mirotic or Favors, just stick with Favors. That lateral move isn't worth it.

Wait... if he is so important why risk losing him for a measly $6M?

Also, the though we could waive him and get him back on a better deal is pretty silly imo. If that happens I'll eat crow, but my guess is he would have better or similar offers... anything that is similar that provides him opportunity to close games and he will leave. I don't even think his family is here now so Utah may be "fine" but he isn't married to it.

 

[LoPo]

Wait... if he is so important why risk losing him for a measly $6M?

Also, the though we could waive him and get him back on a better deal is pretty silly imo. If that happens I'll eat crow, but my guess is he would have better or similar offers... anything that is similar that provides him opportunity to close games and he will leave. I don't even think his family is here now so Utah may be "fine" but he isn't married to it.

It's all about value. We overpaid Favors last year. We shouldn't twice just because.

If Favors took similar money to play elsewhere, then you should be happy right? Why are you arguing both sides of this? Shouldn't you be begging for us to waive him no matter what? Then from there, you should hope that another team signs him. Either way, bringing him back on a smaller number is better than $18 right?

 

[NUMBERICA]

And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.

We don’t have the talent to have the luxury of this concern. Furthermore, you’ve said yourself that Kyrie is a dick.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's all about value. We overpaid Favors last year. We shouldn't twice just because.

If Favors took similar money to play elsewhere, then you should be happy right? Why are you arguing both sides of this? Shouldn't you be begging for us to waive him no matter what? Then from there, you should hope that another team signs him. Either way, bringing him back on a smaller number is better than $18 right?

I'm not the one arguing both sides of this... I think the best thing is to waive him and be done... if we got him on 3/36M then that is second best option (I don't see this as viable though)... third best is just him at $18M.

I have been pretty clear we should waive him no matter what and address other needs... I think the front office sees him as a viable fallback option... offseason is very likely a failure if we have Favs on the roster.

Another issue with Favs sticking around is it is a stumbling block for us finding a long term backup solution.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don’t have the talent to have the luxury of this concern. Furthermore, you’ve said yourself that Kyrie is a dick.

Getting good guys is important, but just as important... avoid douches... Boston has a few.

 

[Jingled]

And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.

So we should keep Favors to help maintain chemistry so that we can lose to the Rockets in 5 games again next season or get swept by the Warriors while Favors is limited to under 20 minutes a game?

 

[infection]

I like how you said we under appreciate Favors and in the same post think we should trade Gobert… who is our identity. I like Favs... he's the worst kind of redundant for us though... It will be easier to address our issues long and short term by using his cap allocation elsewhere.

If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!

 

[Trade1stsfor1yearpgs]

I've already said it now 101 times - I wouldn't give Favors $18 million. I would waive and re-sign. If he gets picked up or decides to sign elsewhere, so be it. Waive Favors, go after big free agents, likely fail, bring back Favors at $12ish.

This whole Favors debate comes down to our ability to sign better players. If we can, let's do it. If we have the choice of Mirotic or Favors, just stick with Favors. That lateral move isn't worth it.

Why does Favors agree to this? "Oh, you want to shop around and if no one wants to come to Utah you will contact me about another deal? Sure, okay". Why in the world do you think Favors would be available after the Jazz let him go off his current deal, after the Jazz strike out with signing Kemba and Tobias? And even if Favors were still available in such a hypothetical situation, why would he sign with the Jazz after they did that to him?

Dennis Lindsey built a team that has next to no trade pieces, few options, is backed into a corner and seeking to build a team around a player who is perpetually overly-emotional because the world doesn't treat him like he's Giannis and sees him for what he really is; the third best player on a championship winning team

If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!

I want to see the Jazz make it work with Favors but this is an excellent analogy

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!

I love you analogies no matter how much Cy hates em.

What about if you could get the screw driver and a used off-brand backup crescent for the same price for when the good crescent is broken? That might be good right?