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infection said:
Would not be excited about Russell at all. HH describes it best as empty calories.
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I would be okay with it if we struck out and if the Conley deal became to spendy. He makes me really nervous, but it could work. The issue is you now have two young inefficient high usage guards... which can work if they both compliment each other and the other really efficient guys don't get annoyed. I think that is part of the issue in Boston... guys watching Kyrie and Tatum take turns and saying WTF?

I prefer the other routes but Russell is better than running it back. The thing I like is he's a good passer... going back to his college days he would throw some noice passes. I think both guys could benefit from taking the ball out of their hands a little. I think both guys can improve their three point shooting and DM can get to the line more. I think Russell will always be a low FTA guy... I can't think of a guy who got better at that. The thing is if we did that deal we'd still have all of our picks... I know, I know, but that is where we have to hit (as well as a few other things happening) big to go from conference finalist contender to legit championship contender.

If we got Russell I would understand what we are trying to do... it would make sense... I could get behind it... but its like the 5th or 6th best realistic outcome.
 
fishonjazz said:
Everyone is positive apparently.
Harden and gobert have similar defensive win share numbers lol.

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Even defensive RPM (which may be the most reliable) has some weird *** things that happen. On/Off kinda tells a story too... Part of Zach's problem is the teams he has been on really didn't have defensive personnel. He at least is an efficient scorer... I could understand why someone would want him long term over Conley. He is spacey on both sides of the floor, but one thing I've been impressed with him is he loves basketball and works hard... dude has passion... if they have that the other stuff can certainly follow.
 
infection said:
Alright, so here's my question:

What are the odds that Jabari can give you most of what Harris can give you? I can't help but feel there's a bit of a recency bias at play here. Rewind two years and ask this question, and Tobias hasn't shot up everyone's list, just as Jabari hasn't dropped so far down. Now, obviously more information is better than less, and handicapping that evaluation by saying "ignore the last two years" is fairly short sighted, but what are the chances that the course of the last two years will remain static (or at least trend in the same direction) with both those guys? Are we looking at finished products, or is there more variability to come? There are certain reservations I'd have about Tobias, but if you told me today we'd have the chance to get him, I'd take it in a heartbeat. No beef about getting him. But Jabari is the ultimate buy-low guy, and right now Harris is a buy-high guy (you have to max him). There have been some stupid comments Jabari has made, but by all accounts he's a good teammate and guys like him. Why not put our culture to test that DL raves so much about? I see him very easily being able to put up 20 ppg with us. His defense isn't good, but neither is Harris'. If ever there's a position for Jabari to succeed, it's here and now. The personnel downside to picking up Harris is that he's your off-season -- you jettison some guys and use up all your flexibility just to obtain him.

My plan would be go hard at Conley. Hard. You then operate over the cap. You could argue Jabari gets above the MLE, but if we offered a 3 year deal on the MLE, with a 3rd year player option, that puts him in a situation where he knows he's starting, knows he's needed, is in a great environment, a familiar place where he has a house, and allows him to rehab his career and brand for two years and then opt out. I think Conley/Jabari is the closest we get to the dream off-season of Conley/Harris.

Hell, even if we just used our capspace to land Jabari and Beverley/Caruso, I'd rate that as a good off-season. I know the Favors analytics darlings wouldn't like that, but it balances our needs out significantly. Unfortunately, I think the FO is in the Favors analytics darling camp.
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Parker is a good buy low... I just wonder if he gets it and if he is a worker. Those are things that are hard to fix. Tobias is a worker by all accounts. Parker's jumper has come and gone too. I wonder if he'd buy into the Jae Crowder bench role... if he did then he wouldn't have to be as consistent and the nights he goes for 20 would be helpful. At this point I think he's a great low risk high reward candidate. I'd want him on a 1+1 with a team option deal.
 
I'd also be willing to roll the dice on IT. That injury may have zapped him of everything, but I think we could offer him a role and I think it would be a minimum deal. I think the hip injury is kinda a two year deal... especially since Boston told him to wait on the surgery.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I would be okay with it if we struck out and if the Conley deal became to spendy. He makes me really nervous, but it could work. The issue is you now have two young inefficient high usage guards... which can work if they both compliment each other and the other really efficient guys don't get annoyed. I think that is part of the issue in Boston... guys watching Kyrie and Tatum take turns and saying WTF?

I prefer the other routes but Russell is better than running it back. The thing I like is he's a good passer... going back to his college days he would throw some noice passes. I think both guys could benefit from taking the ball out of their hands a little. I think both guys can improve their three point shooting and DM can get to the line more. I think Russell will always be a low FTA guy... I can't think of a guy who got better at that. The thing is if we did that deal we'd still have all of our picks... I know, I know, but that is where we have to hit (as well as a few other things happening) big to go from conference finalist contender to legit championship contender.

If we got Russell I would understand what we are trying to do... it would make sense... I could get behind it... but its like the 5th or 6th best realistic outcome.
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Great post. I agree 100%.

Russell shouldn't be the main target for the many reasons listed and there are better options out there. However, if he is the best we can get, we should be very happy if we do indeed get him.

We aren't going to make a flawless addition this summer. We just need to hope we improve PG (which Russell does) and hopefully improve elsewhere too.
 
Looked at on/off and lineup stuff for Brooklyn... it is really wonky and counterintuitive. Good news Russell seems to be even on offense and defense. Thought maybe the Dinwiddie bench units would be what helped them.

Jarrett Allen might be really bad at defense. The on off stuff is crazy. They are much, much better with Davis than they are with Allen. Davis is basically positive with every lineup. I would go get Davis with the room exception right now and have him replace Favs. He has a huge effect on that team. Carroll had a really positive effect as well, but the Davis stuff was pretty eye opening. The team was 9 pts per 100 possession better on defense when Davis was on the floor. I went to find another player to give a reference point but couldn't find anything near that big... PG was a 5.8 pt difference... biggest I could find.

Anyway... fine with Russell, but go get Ed Davis.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Looked at on/off and lineup stuff for Brooklyn... it is really wonky and counterintuitive. Good news Russell seems to be even on offense and defense. Thought maybe the Dinwiddie bench units would be what helped them.

Jarrett Allen might be really bad at defense. The on off stuff is crazy. They are much, much better with Davis than they are with Allen. Davis is basically positive with every lineup. I would go get Davis with the room exception right now and have him replace Favs. He has a huge effect on that team. Carroll had a really positive effect as well, but the Davis stuff was pretty eye opening. The team was 9 pts per 100 possession better on defense when Davis was on the floor. I went to find another player to give a reference point but couldn't find anything near that big... PG was a 5.8 pt difference... biggest I could find.

Anyway... fine with Russell, but go get Ed Davis.
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Ed Davis averages 17.3 rebounds per 36? That's insane.
 
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