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It's a tree that grows in SE Asia. The leaves have properties similar to opium but supposedly without the adverse effects.
You can get it at a lot of smoke shops around. It does something, but I can't really explain what. I was only taking the standard dose(two capsules). I know a guy that takes eight at once, and he once told me it's like weed without the paranoia and hallucinations.
I see Kratom in the news a lot recently, seemingly trying to make a connection between kratom and adverse drug deaths. But in every single case I've seen, not a one of them listed kratom as a cause. Merely that it's there.
checkbookdoc
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1) I sometimes feel like a lot of the discussion minimizes/understates the responsibility of the drug user. People are asking for trouble and taking a risk every time they use these products. Sometimes use can't be avoided or is the best course of action, but if you are responsible it is very rare that it turns into an addiction. The opioid problem is serious enough that everyone can get a fair share of blame (doctors, big pharma, dealers, law makers, families, etc.) while also recognizing nearly all of the addicts could have avoided the situation.
2) I think most of the solution could be obtained through greater/better education (children, legitimate users, illegal users, family, doctors, law makers).
3) Treatment should be provided, but should not reduce the responsibility of actions taken while under the influence (e.g., should not be used to reduce legal sentence).
4) Legalization with regulation seems like the best course of action as it would bring the people out of the shadows and make it easier to allocate more of the treatment cost to distributors/manufacturers/users.
2) I think most of the solution could be obtained through greater/better education (children, legitimate users, illegal users, family, doctors, law makers).
3) Treatment should be provided, but should not reduce the responsibility of actions taken while under the influence (e.g., should not be used to reduce legal sentence).
4) Legalization with regulation seems like the best course of action as it would bring the people out of the shadows and make it easier to allocate more of the treatment cost to distributors/manufacturers/users.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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They need to stop blaming drugs for problems. Drugs just do what they do. Our energy and funds should be focused on helping people properly address their trauma, both physical and mental.
Stop incarcerating people for drug offenses. Stop adding more trauma to already traumatized people. If people self-medicate with the wrong drug, or the wrong dose, ****ing help them.
So many Christians are in love with Les Miserables. They will watch the films, go to several live productions, talk about performers, read the book, Etc. They adore the idea of Jean Valjean. But they refuse to sacrifice their candlesticks and/or not prosecute. They want the "mighty change" to happen without showing any forgiveness for the crimes that addicted people commit.
Stop incarcerating people for drug offenses. Stop adding more trauma to already traumatized people. If people self-medicate with the wrong drug, or the wrong dose, ****ing help them.
So many Christians are in love with Les Miserables. They will watch the films, go to several live productions, talk about performers, read the book, Etc. They adore the idea of Jean Valjean. But they refuse to sacrifice their candlesticks and/or not prosecute. They want the "mighty change" to happen without showing any forgiveness for the crimes that addicted people commit.
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Yes. It sneaks up on you. Anyone that claims it's a miracle drug that's not addicting is still in the delusional phase. It got so bad for me the shakes started to occur 2 hours after a dose. I quit cold turkey and the withdrawals were some the worst I've ever experienced. Don't do it unless your only alternative is something like heroin.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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Exactly.
How large of a dose were you taking?
My wife tried it but it didn't help with her chronic pain. From what I've read it does help some people.
Seen a heap of really bad outcomes from synthetic marijuana too, people have actually died from it. Im with most people in supporting some form of legalization, no idea how it will work in reality tho, I already pay 40 bucks for a packet of smokes and pints of beer are between 10 and 14 bucks each, so legalization may lead to an increase in price...
For what it's worth CBD oil is not an opioid.
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Started at 5 g/day and eventually got to 12-15g/day. When I quit I was around 20-25g a day. I felt like everyone else thinking it was amazing. At about the 4~ish month mark I knew I was probably in trouble. Is it as bad/addicting as hard core drugs? No. Am I being a little dramatic? Probably, but I've seen enough from myself and others it's best not to mess with it unless you have too. Guess that's obvious for most though. Seen too many going into it just to dabble because of their friends thinking it's harmless and it's not.
candrew
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Right. What I meant is an alternative to opioids may not be a solution to the problem because it isn't addressing the root cause.
Then again I could be wrong either way, lol.
Holy crap, that's a lot! From everything I have read 3-4 grams should be the max and you should work up to that.
My coworker's husband has Parkinsons and other issues and has found that CBD oil works well on his back pain. I may try it at some point. How much would it cost to bathe in it? 
Some days the only things that don't hurt are my earlobes.
Some days the only things that don't hurt are my earlobes.
MVP
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I once was talking to ER doctor at the party. Asked what is the most common emergency he sees these days - his answer was fentanyl overdose by far. And he said it is most frustrating to treat and save some addicts just to get them OD few weeks later. Situation is really bad.
LOL, like weed but without the hallucinations.
I have never known anyone who claimed to have hallucinations on weed.
I don't really get #4. That perfectly describes prescriptions drugs, which is what exists now.
Gummies make me have auditory hallucinations to some degree every time. Particularly on quiet nights when I'm alone. Didn't have visual until mushrooms.
Douchebag K
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a mate i grew up with got onto marijuana when he was about 19 and developed paranoid schizophrenia. Promising basketballer, had everything to live for and he's a ****ing mess for the last 25 years or so. Medically induced addiction is such a complicated can of worms but as far as recreational drug use goes, it begins with personal responsibility for your choices.