Conley Officially a Jazzman

[tleikheen]

Good riddance and good luck Crowder and Korver and plz take Neto, Sefalosha ,and Ekpe with you.
PG) Conley 30mpg / Exum 18 mpg
SG) DM 32 mpg / Exum 10 mpg
SF) Ingles 28 mpg / O'Neale 20 mpg
PF) Favors 16 mpg / ?????
C) Gobert 32 mpg / Favors 16 mpg

Jazz need to add a SF/PF player which I think is their #1 focus

Fingers Xed for …….. SF) Josh Jackson 6'8" 22 y o or SF/PF) Mario Hezonja 6'8" 24 y o

Gobert covers for a lot of mistakes defensively but I'm tired of it being for slow unathletic players and rather be for younger players on the rise. Jazz need players that can grow with DM ,Exum and be part of the team after the rental of Conley is over.

 

[framer]

I have as much confidence of the Jazz generating players from the Homeytennis all-stars (Jingles, Royce) than the late, late first round of a draft. The only downside of the Conley trade is that summer league is going to be unwatchable. With the lack of incoming talent from this draft, however, that was probably going to happen anyway.

You know what, I take this back. It occurs to me that this could be our most important summer league in a while where I would need to watch ALL of the players instead of our two rookies, including all of the undrafted players on the other teams.

By Gawd that's @homeytennis 's Music!

 

[Douchebag K]

Crowder brought so much more than shooting. He brought toughness that no other Jazz player had. Utah need to find a personality to replace that, someone who isn't afraid to get in the face of opponents or teammates. I wanted him as a member of the Jazz when he was in college. He is a total team and hard hat kind of guy. I am very sorry to see Utah's enforcer go.

Ingles still here boi

 

[LogGrad98]

How is adding a top five PG, one of the deadliest pick and roll guards in the game, who can create for himself and play off ball, and is a good to great defender, staying on the treadmill?

Wtf do you people expect us to give up to get a player like that? Are you really that upset about losing Grayson ****ing Allen? Cmon...

My concern is the contact and the ability to fill out the bench. I hope they can overcome that and get some more help from the perimeter.

 

[zyzz]

Salary cap impact of Mike Conley trade for the Jazz and Grizzlies by Danny Leroux of The Athletic

While this trade does basically wipe out all of the Jazz’s 2019 cap space, it is important that they were able to retain both Derrick Favors and Dante Exum. It had looked like any big additions through free agency or trade would require letting go of Favors either through waiving his non-guaranteed contract or more likely guaranteeing it and sending him somewhere else as $16.9 million is a team-friendly salary for the 27-year old big man. While there will be times when the Favors/Gobert frontcourt will not be viable, especially in the playoffs, GM Dennis Lindsey would have struggled to find a capable fifth starter at either forward spot, creating rotation and depth issues.

The case for keeping Exum is a little more challenging as he has battled injuries throughout his five-year career and makes $9.6 million each of the next two seasons but it appears Lindsey still has high hopes for him as a part of the guard rotation. Additionally, losing Crowder and Korver meaningfully weakens their depth and puts more pressure on Lindsey to find talent with the limited remaining teambuilding tools at his disposal.

Acquiring Conley also squares up the Jazz’s books for the next few years in a compelling and potentially important way. They basically only have the $4.8 million Room exception left beyond minimum contracts this summer but could open up about $18 million in 2020 if Favors is in a different uniform and about $21 million if Lindsey declines the fourth-year option on Tony Bradley.

The more fascinating part comes the following summer as Conley joins Gobert, Ingles and Exum as significant contracts that all expire in 2021, the same year Mitchell will be on a new deal via extension or restricted free agency. It is entirely possible that some or even that entire quartet agree to extensions but the Jazz could have an opportunity in either 2020 or 2021 to retool after seeing what happens this season.

Losing Allen and two firsts does hurt as it both weakens their coffers for other potential trades and takes away chances to draft cost-controlled talent but adding a game-changing player always comes at a price. Unless Kyrie Irving or Kemba Walker was more willing to join the Jazz than expected or reported, Conley makes more sense next to Mitchell than any available guard, especially since the Pelicans appear to be holding off on moving Jrue Holiday.

There are a few important elements of the deal from Memphis’ perspective but the place to start is with the massive increase in financial flexibility. They sent out a player making $32.5 million in 2019-20 and $34.5 million in 2020-21 (unless he chooses to be a free agent through his Early Termination Option) for a combination of players and picks that with a combined guaranteed salary of $15.9 million in 2019-20 and $4.9 million in 2020-21.

While it hurts to see the Grit ‘N Grind era end with a whimper, the Grizzlies got more for Conley than I expected given his massive contract. The combination of Allen, two picks and financial flexibility will not transform the franchise but the trade clarifies their direction forward and adds opportunities to add talent to their young core.

 

[RandyForRubio]

No I was concerned that he can't jump as well off one foot. He compensates for it well, so he overcame that potential weakness.

So you are fishing to use the standard internet tough guy trope of "member that time you said that one guy was bad and now he isn't?? That means you always suck, you loser!" I will just concede that you are a much tougher keyboard warrior than I am sir, as I am sure you have never been mistaken about anything in your life. Huzzah, my good fellow, huzzah!

Nice. Except that's not what you said.

Moved up for undersized and offensively limited. OK. Yawn I guess?

You're a negative type of guy, and your evaluations tend to reflect that. It's not that I know more than you about basketball (I do, btw), but you have certain tendencies. I'm guessing you don't realize just how freaking good Mike Conley is.

 

[Tragic66]

I'll be floating in my dingy just offshore.

I’m still on the island, laying low and watching from the jungle.

 

[LogGrad98]

by "filler" I think you mean "Derrick Favors"

The scenarios I saw were Rubio, DedEx, picks and filler, such as Allen. Favors was mentioned as an outlier option. The jazz didn't want to give up Ex. So we got what we wanted apparently, kept the man of glass and moved a productive player that added some toughness to the team.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Donovan Mitchell has never played with a PG as good as Conley.

Conley has never played with an off-ball guard as good as Mitchell.

Those two will help each other a lot. Conley has never played with another guard who can create like Mitchell can. Takes some of the pressure off Conley as he gets older. This is a really, really good fit on court and off court.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Donovan Mitchell has never played with a PG as good as Conley.

Conley has never played with an off-ball guard as good as Mitchell.

Those two will help each other a lot. Conley has never played with another guard who can create like Mitchell can. Takes some of the pressure off Conley as he gets older. This is a really, really good fit on court and off court.

I think this is a way to possibly groom Mitchell for the full time PG spot down the road, as well. Conley seems much more like I’d expect Donovan to play PG than Rubio. I have no doubt that Donovan will be extremely capable of playing either the 1 or 2 a few years from now when Conley probably leaves.

 

[str8line]

I’m still on the island, laying low and watching from the jungle.

Could you please bring me a coconut? My pina colada stash is getting low from all the celebrating since the Conley news.

 

[LogGrad98]

Nice. Except that's not what you said.



You're a negative type of guy, and your evaluations tend to reflect that. It's not that I know more than you about basketball (I do, btw), but you have certain tendencies. I'm guessing you don't realize just how freaking good Mike Conley is.

Lol ok

 

[LogGrad98]

it's not that I know more than you about basketball

I know you don't.

See I can take a single quote to reflect your entire position too. Boy you're the supreme internet tough guy. You got the playbook down.

 

[New_Jazz_Order]

DL gave up arm and leg. That's 3 draft picks basically plus a useful player. That's more than for Hill and Rubio combined. Conley better bring the bacon home for the Jazz.

 

[jjscap]

1. Most other fans seem to think this is a fair deal. Perhaps some of you guys suffer from the endowment effect?
2. Conley is Quin's favorite PG in the league. His contract is synced with Gobert and Mitchell's contracts.
3. All Utah Jazz starters are top-50 players. Conley is a defensive beast. Utah should be #1 defensively again.
4. HOU has major issues. GSW will likely miss the playoffs. So finally Utah has a chance to win the West. This is a golden opportunity they've patiently waited for. I actually think that's the main reason behind this trade.

 

[New_Jazz_Order]

Ingles still here boi

ingles is more of a classroom clown than an enforcer.

 

[cowhide]

You think Conley is going to turn down a $30M option at age 32/33 ?

Why are you so sure he won't? Al Horford just did it with the Celtics.

 

[DerekFromTexas08]

Love this trade. Conley is a perfect fit for the Jazz in the way he plays and his professionalism. He'll take pressure off Donovan, which the Jazz desperately needed and I believe he is extremely underrated. He's been playing on a bad Memphis team for years now and hasn't had the opportunity to play with a player like Donovan and a talented team like the Jazz in a long time. Yes, we will need a couple more role players to add depth, especially a SF/PF, but I definitely think that's possible through free agency.

 

[cowhide]

Not sure but I think so.

Use partial MLE on Caruso and partial on Portis!

Portis is going to get a bigger payday then the partial MLE. I like Caruso and would love to bring him in but I think he stays with the Lakers.

 

[New_Jazz_Order]

1. Most other fans seem to think this is a fair deal. Perhaps some of you guys suffer from the endowment effect?
2. Conley is Quin's favorite PG in the league. His contract is synced with Gobert and Mitchell's contracts.
3. All Utah Jazz starters are top-50 players. Conley is a defensive beast. Utah should be #1 defensively again.
4. HOU has major issues. GSW will likely miss the playoffs. So finally Utah has a chance to win the West. This is a golden opportunity they've patiently waited for. I actually think that's the main reason behind this trade.

Conley is not a defensive beast. PG is probably the least defensive impact position. He's not a liability but not much else. His DRPM is middle of the pack the last 3 seasons.