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Democrats want open borders.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...-ny-times-no-democrats-dont-want-open-borders
The New York Times whines whenever Republicans dare suggest that Democrats support socialist policies. The paper tried to rebut the charge in its latest “Fact Check” with political reporter Reid Epstein joining regular fact-checker Linda Qiu for “Attaching Democrats to Radical Socialists,” which assured readers that “On economic issues, Democrats in the United States are far to the right of the governing parties in most other Western democracies.”
It’s an odd defense, given the Times ardor for “Democratic Socialists” in America, and communism everywhere else.
But one interesting omission from the latest round of fact checking is a vital 2020 issue that the Times isn’t fact-checking Donald Trump on anymore: His accusations that Democrats favor “open borders.” Trump hasn’t stopped talking about Democrats wanting open borders in his stump speeches, but the fact checkers have stopped flagging it.
Perhaps that’s because even some of the paper’s liberal columnists are worried that too many Democratic candidates, by pushing for the abolition of ICE and decriminalization of illegal border crossings, are in favor of de facto “open borders.”
Qiu did so most vigorously in June 2018 with the bluntly headlined “No, Democrats Don’t Want ‘Open Borders.’” She has repeated that stand a dozen or so times afterward, apparently most recently in late December 2018.
The issue went dead as the Democratic candidates for president showed their radical stand on border crossing. Liberal columnist Frank Bruni fretted in the Sunday Review that “anything that smacks of open borders -- which is how President Barack Obama’s secretary for homeland security, Jeh Johnson, described Democratic presidential candidates’ positions in a recent op-ed essay in The Washington Post -- puts those candidates at odds with public opinion.”
Bruni made the same point in a column last week as well.
Also, columnist Thomas Friedman did a Q&A with readers after last week’s controversial column, and used the term to describe the stance of many of the Democrats on the debate stage:
What I worry about from the first Democratic debates was that by so many candidates offering so many free things to so many people -- some of them not even American citizens -- the gut message being conveyed by the party was that it’s for open borders and for taking care of people who just walked into our country illegally....
Here's political reporter Jonathan Martin arching his brow in concern:
[Three Democratic governors] were just as emphatic about immigration, warning 2020 candidates that their support for decriminalizing illegal migration would allow Republicans to cast Democrats as the party of open borders.
We eagerly await the paper’s follow-up fact check, “OK, So Maybe Democrats Do Want ‘Open Borders.’”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...-ny-times-no-democrats-dont-want-open-borders
The New York Times whines whenever Republicans dare suggest that Democrats support socialist policies. The paper tried to rebut the charge in its latest “Fact Check” with political reporter Reid Epstein joining regular fact-checker Linda Qiu for “Attaching Democrats to Radical Socialists,” which assured readers that “On economic issues, Democrats in the United States are far to the right of the governing parties in most other Western democracies.”
It’s an odd defense, given the Times ardor for “Democratic Socialists” in America, and communism everywhere else.
But one interesting omission from the latest round of fact checking is a vital 2020 issue that the Times isn’t fact-checking Donald Trump on anymore: His accusations that Democrats favor “open borders.” Trump hasn’t stopped talking about Democrats wanting open borders in his stump speeches, but the fact checkers have stopped flagging it.
Perhaps that’s because even some of the paper’s liberal columnists are worried that too many Democratic candidates, by pushing for the abolition of ICE and decriminalization of illegal border crossings, are in favor of de facto “open borders.”
Qiu did so most vigorously in June 2018 with the bluntly headlined “No, Democrats Don’t Want ‘Open Borders.’” She has repeated that stand a dozen or so times afterward, apparently most recently in late December 2018.
The issue went dead as the Democratic candidates for president showed their radical stand on border crossing. Liberal columnist Frank Bruni fretted in the Sunday Review that “anything that smacks of open borders -- which is how President Barack Obama’s secretary for homeland security, Jeh Johnson, described Democratic presidential candidates’ positions in a recent op-ed essay in The Washington Post -- puts those candidates at odds with public opinion.”
Bruni made the same point in a column last week as well.
Also, columnist Thomas Friedman did a Q&A with readers after last week’s controversial column, and used the term to describe the stance of many of the Democrats on the debate stage:
What I worry about from the first Democratic debates was that by so many candidates offering so many free things to so many people -- some of them not even American citizens -- the gut message being conveyed by the party was that it’s for open borders and for taking care of people who just walked into our country illegally....
Here's political reporter Jonathan Martin arching his brow in concern:
[Three Democratic governors] were just as emphatic about immigration, warning 2020 candidates that their support for decriminalizing illegal migration would allow Republicans to cast Democrats as the party of open borders.
We eagerly await the paper’s follow-up fact check, “OK, So Maybe Democrats Do Want ‘Open Borders.’”
He is up to a 12% support rate from black voters. Up from 9% when he took office.
But no where near any other candidate. Biden has the highest support among black voters at 76%.
Roughly 15% of Democrats and 7% of Republicans support open borders. So it's a small minority that support open borders. No politician supports open borders to my knowledge.
That's nice for him to claim that. But his statement is verifiable false. Trump has been called racist long before winning against Clinton.
He was sued and settled a case in 1973 for housing discrimination against black people. He was accused of being racist for his silly birther stance. He said racist things and was accused of being racist his entire campaign.
Red
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Nothing just comes and goes when you normalize it. It becomes part of the playbook. It's simple, really. We've elevated the least among us. We may not find what we really need to replace the dark turn he represents. We may not find someone who can inspire our best nature. But we should be awake to this juncture for what it is.
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Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019
Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
Hotdog
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So he settled a case in 1973 and that makes him guilty? You dont think that with all the properties he has owned that its possible one false claim could have popped up from some money hungry disgruntled people for other reasons?
That's your big proof that he is a racist?
Do you think you could actually provide some real substance please? And no, pro immigration laws are not racist. Barrack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton all held the same views on border security.
You literally have zero proof he is a racist. The funny thing is he actually does the exact opposite of what you clowns say he is. On numerous occasions he's gone out of his way to help minorities. Just recently he tried to help with the release from jail of a black rapper in Sweden. Why do you choose to ignore these things? Why do they not weigh on your mind when you cast so much judgment on a person you dont know and have never met?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/20/politics/asap-rocky-jail-trump-sweden-prime-minister/index.html
Clearly you misread this discussion. Nothing you said was relevant.
The claim was that Trump only started getting called racist after beating Clinton.
There is plenty of proof that people were calling him racist a long time ago.
There is no burden of proof needed whether or not he has racist. It's just whether people have called him that.
On the separate subject of racism he has a long record of racist statements. I don't know if he is racist or not though. He might just be extremely ignorant or dumb. Chances are he is racist though due to his age, upbringing, and background combined with his racist statements. Frankly most people are racists to some extent, most are just not willing to acknowledge or admit it. It's almost impossible to grow up in our society and not make some sort of assumptions about people because of their race, even if the majority fit the mold.
It's great he has done some things to help people. He has also done things to hurt minorites.
Heathme
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Thank you NPC. The racism crap is so old.
Hotdog
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If you dont support secure borders then you support open borders. This isn't hard to figure out.
Hotdog
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Well, that was a reasonable statement.
Are you ok? Whats going on in your life? Did you get a promotion or did something terrible happen?
Incorrect. It's impossible to have a completely secure border. I don't think everyone supports am open border.
Besides studies show that at a certain level of increased security leads to an increase in illegal immigrants. There is a balance needed.
Define "gaining black support"
Ben Carson likes him even more now.
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Did you read the article that I posted? He's a ****ing racist!
Here’s a breakdown of Trump’s history, taken largely from Dara Lind’s list for Vox and an op-ed by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times:
- 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.
- 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
- 1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
- 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
- 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
- 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
- 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
- 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
- 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
- 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
- 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
- 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
- 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”
DasJazz
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For some reason this post really made me laugh! Haha.
Hotdog
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Actually there a lot of independent voices on Youtube and elsewhere who are black and support Trump. But since you guys are racist, you dismiss them and silence them by not acknowledging them and their beliefs. You choose to elevate other voices, particularly white liberal voices, over them. Which is racist.
You two are racist. You've now been called racist. So you are racist. Pretty simple formula really.
Own it and repent. Also give some money to some black people to make up for what you have done.
Shame on you scumbags.
Sure. You can even find independent black voices that support David Duke. There have always been black people who supported segregation and white supremacy.
As for the rest of your post, since you don't understand the language we use to discuss racism, your imitation comes off as hollow and sad, IOWs, typical for you.
Hotdog
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So you assume that black people who dont view the world like you do are stupid and make bad choices for themselves? Thats awfully bigoted of you.
Casting wide nets do ya? No time to judge people as individuals?