candrew
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I wouldn't put much stock into what the pollsters are saying about Florida just yet.
With the passage of Amendment 4 in 2018, voting rights were restored to about 1.4 million Floridians.
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I wouldn't put much stock into what the pollsters are saying about Florida just yet.
With the passage of Amendment 4 in 2018, voting rights were restored to about 1.4 million Floridians.
The Thriller
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The 1.4 million Which were promptly hammered with legal fees by the Republican state legislature to be given voting rights? Not a dependable vote anymore now that amendment 4 was essentially nullified by state bill 7066. Since this disproportionately effects African Americans, it’s easy to compare this to the poll taxes created shortly after the civil war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Florida_Amendment_4
Trump also has a good ground game in Florida and the Hispanic Cuban vote there tends to vote republican as they dislike democratic efforts to build Bridges with the Cuban regime.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/felon-...r-signs-bill-restricting-felon-voting-rights/
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The Thriller
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Of course, me bringing up that republicans sponsored, passed, and signed this bill in Florida to punish felons with legal fees before they can have their right to vote back probably makes me a hateful bigot.
Whatever you do, don’t make another thread telling everyone how hateful and bigoted I am. I don’t know if I can take much more!
Whatever you do, don’t make another thread telling everyone how hateful and bigoted I am. I don’t know if I can take much more!
candrew
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Those are folks that have just recently got of jail. They're less likely to vote anyway.
There are still hundreds of thousands of Floridians that committed felonies in the 80s and 90s that have been disenfranchised for no good reason and are now eligible to vote.
Considering how close national and local elections have been in Florida this is significant.
Yeah, every politician offers something in exhange for votes. "Democracy" ya know.
Whether it is a free wall (fraud), and jailed opponent (fraud), keeping coal mines open (lie), or social welfare handouts, that is generally how it works.
Trump's going to be out of office, so I'm hoping the Republicans come up with a better alternative in the mean time. Fiscal conservative who isn't a racist snake oil salesman, for example.
The Thriller
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No. It requires all felons to pay the costs associated with their sentences, not just recently released ones. Now I’d hope that someone who committed a felony in the 80s or 90s could pay these fees off. But it’s yet another hurdle put in place by a political party who doesn’t want African Americans to vote. Why is that?
Everything I’ve read is that Florida has been trending towards trump. It has a Republican Governor and state legislature. Both senators are republican. So it’s infrastructure is set up for a Republican President. The demographics don’t work either. The Cuban vote tends to swing conservative to as they don’t support Democratic efforts to build bridges with Cuba. Its twice as likely as the non-Cuban Hispanic vote to vote trump according to 2016’s exit poll.
While it’s still considered a swing state, and I appreciate your enthusiasm, I wonder if it’s more of a money hole for democrats at this point. I’d probably invest more in the upper Midwest, Arizona, maybe even Texas than Florida. The retired baby boomers moving to Florida and Cuban Hispanics make Florida a really difficult state for democrats to win.
The Thriller
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I agree.
But I’m beginning to wonder if the party has lost control of the steering wheel? I’m beginning to think that republicans won’t empower sane people until Hannity retires? Seems like Fox News wields a disproportionate amount of influence so that even if party leaders want a fiscal conservative, Hannity will have the ultimate say. If he wants Roy Moore to be the Republican candidate in 2024, I think he might be able to brainwash Republican viewers into voting that way, no matter what party leaders think.
The Thriller
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Why do you think democrats can win Florida? Just curious. I’m asking you to dissuade me from my pessimistic view of the state. Clinton won 200k more Floridian votes than Obama did but got her *** kicked by trump in the state because Floridians got off on trump’s rhetoric.
Unlike the blue wall, where Clinton underperformed bigly.
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Hotdog
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One of the biggest morons to have a television show wields ungodly world political power. Got it.
The Thriller
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And Fox n friends. I mean, who can argue with this analysis?
Not Fox n friends, pretty sure it’s the show right after though:
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I'll tell you why Sanders is better. For one, he has never been equivocal about who his constituents are -- the people. Warren has been on the fence about this. She endorsed Hillary, the corrupt DNC candidate instead of Bernie during the last primary. While I would prefer Warren than any of the others except for Bernie, I still question her commitment to Progressive ideals that Bernie has supported throughout his political career.
Quinnipiac has Biden by 9 points. It's a decent poll.
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Please, Never Biden, another DNC candidate but while less corrupt than Hillary also less capable. Instead of a tweeter, we will get a man who forgets what he said yesterday. And with his memory failing, it will only get worse.
The Thriller
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Interesting. But I’d guess these numbers will tighten up a bit come election time. Florida is almost always close. Although, Trump seems to really excite Floridians more than traditional republicans. He received almost 500,000 more votes than Romney.
If Dems win Florida, that allows them to drop a state like Wisconsin or Michigan.
Again, the path towards reelection is a tough one. Trump has to win all of the swing states, including Florida and the blue wall.
On paper, Warren is actually as far left as Bernie (or at least, she was). She supports Bernie's Healthcare for All. She wants to decriminalize undocumented migrants crossing the border and extend healthcare to them as well. She's proposed student-loan forgiveness and other progressive social programs. The thing is, everyone knows these exorbitant government programs are unlikely to pass through the House, let alone the Senate, and she's being warned that these proposals are too far left to get her elected. She may be starting to move a bit back towards the center and make concessions as she tries to win over the DNC. It's enough that some on the left side of the party are questioning whether she's truly one of them anymore. Posing with Hillary Clinton didn't help that perception.