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So much winning
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Trump abandons Kurdish allies to Turkish invasion
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Ellipse
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You're right. We should bomb the hell out of Turkey, what's another war between NATO allies? Or does it matter that Turkey is a part of NATO?
If we attack a member of NATO, i.e. Turkey, does that put us at war with the other NATO nations? (Although I must admit, bombing the French has a certain appeal.) Or how does war with Russia sound if they attack the Kurds?
Oh, the conundrum we find ourselves in: Break our faith with Kurds or attack a NATO ally and possibly go to war with Russia?
Sure looks like we were pretty damn stupid to put ourselves in this fix by invading Syria.
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Yeah. It’s a weird post. No one but trump and is unmatched wisdom has advocated for military action against Turkey. Plenty of people have advocated for maintaining the protection of our Kurdish allies.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/08/as...tl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/world
To the shame of the American sprit and the shame of American idealism we have not thrown open the road for these people. I know plenty of places for them to go. Southern Utah, Detroit...so many places that could use their passion and desire for a better life.
To the shame of the American sprit and the shame of American idealism we have not thrown open the road for these people. I know plenty of places for them to go. Southern Utah, Detroit...so many places that could use their passion and desire for a better life.
it also raises interesting, to me at least, questions.
How does a war between NATO allies work?
is desire to keep Turkey in NATO places above allegiance to allies like the Kurds?
Ellipse
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Strawman? Are the (Syrian) Kurds not being threatened by the Turks and Russia? Isn't that what is being reported by David Ignatius? What everyone is implying is that the only way we can protect the (Syrian) Kurds is if we continue our illegal occupation of a sovereign nation in perpetuity.
Zombie
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I mean, Turkey would want a war with the US about as much as we would. Which of course is why US presence and support of the Kurds acted as a deterrent to an invasion.
I think there would be a diplomatic breakdown and a disintegration of NATO before its members would engage in warfare with one another.
Zombie
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If you believe we live in a binary world, where only the events you've imagined are possible, then sure.
I don’t mean us and Turkey specifically and it SL all hypothetical and back room whiskey talk.
But watching it play out as national policy is horrendous.
rise up Rs. RISE UP AND THROW HIM DOWN IN RIGHTEOUS FURY
Zombie
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Yeah I gotcha, I guess my point is that organizations like NATO exist in part because it creates a mutually beneficial arrangement where the need to stay in overrides whatever kind of objective might be met by an action that would lead to getting kicked out.
but does it? At what point does something else some other goal rose above that
what would it take for a rational US president to abandon NATO. Poland, UK, Germany, Hungary...Turkey?
does NATO see such an event coming and pre-emptively kick a nation out? Is that even a thing?