Trump abandons Kurdish allies to Turkish invasion

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  1. Gameface

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    Turkey is invading because they got an agreement with the President that allows them to do so. It has nothing to do with the number of troops we have.

    Intervening would not be shooting down their jets. It would be making a phone call. Man you're kind of clueless about how this **** works.
     
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  2. Zombie

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    I repeat, ****ing what!?

    This is an insane line, even by Trump's standards.
     
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  3. Zombie

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    Look, unless the alternative to what's going on is a full on hot war with Turkey, these chuckleheads won't be able to defend it. These clueless takes are borne out of a necessity to go to bat for dear leader, it's just not possible that he could be making a mistake.
     
  4. fishonjazz

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    I'm so shocked that people support the guy. I mean just read his tweets. Listen to him talk. No need to worry about media bias or anything. Just listen to Trump and read his tweets.
    He is an idiot. It's so obvious.

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  5. The Thriller

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    @Ellipse

    What about tax cuts for the rich, is that conservative? What about using government to enrich a certain class of people, is that conservative? What about deregulation that primarily benefits the worst polluters, is that conservative?

    Does Lindsey Graham even know what he believes in anymore?



    One thing Romney was right about? Russia was and still is our #1 enemy. He nailed that back in 2012.
     
  6. The Thriller

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    @framer

    Surely you don't think I have the classified information and expertise to answer this question, right?

    I know Limbaugh uses it all the time (funny, I listen to Limbaugh far more than I watch MSNBC).

    It was leaked by Trump's own aides that he was "rolled by Erdogan" in their phone call earlier this week. Because Trump has a history of this, I'm assuming Turkey probably gave Trump a personal favor. Maybe they'll concoct something against Biden or Warren in exchange for Trump moving our troops out of position so we would be unable to protect the Kurds?

    Absolutely not. There's definitely some space between regime change and denying that Saudi Arabia's MBS even had knowledge of Kashoggi's murder. I'd suggest an appropriate response lies in between regime change and denying what our own intelligence services confirmed.

    You don't think Trump's response of first denying that MBS knew about it and then demeaning its importance by saying, "Well gee, Saudi Arabia buys a lot of military crap from us. So whatchagonnado" had anything to do with the worldwide outrage over Kashoggi's murder?

    Like seriously Donald? At least pretend to care.

    This seriously ignores the past 50 years of American foreign policy. Has it all been glitter and gold? No. But America definitely has tools at its disposal to mold and shape other country's behavior. Look at how the Soviet Union caved to a united west. Why was it such a disappointment when we pulled out of the Paris Agreements? Look at how dozens of African nations work with us to improve education and women's rights in exchange of medicine and business. If America wasn't equipped "to play" (I'm not even sure what that means) why do you think Russia made such an effort to elect Trump over Clinton?

    Just look at how Turkey is acting now that America has given Erdogan the green light to massacre the Kurds. They weren't doing that a week ago even without America forcing regime change! Whoa!

    Today is showing you a world without American intervention. We’re seeing it raw right now.

    America, united with its European allies, is equipped to influence a wide array of issues across the world. We just need to make human rights, democracy, and protecting the environment a priority over enriching one's family and digging up dirt on one's political opponent.
     
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  7. Stoked

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  8. The Thriller

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    WHAT sanctions are going to bring the Kurds already dead and who will shortly be dead, back to life?

    What sanctions will restore Kurdish faith in America?

    Also, how do we know that Erdogan didn’t just do Trump a favor? Maybe he just agreed to do the “investigation” that Ukraine didn’t do and that’s why Donald moved American troops out of the way?

    Seriously, how do we know that Turkey didn’t just bribe Trump?
     
  9. The Thriller

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    Oof



    So the Kurds deserve to be slaughtered because they didn’t storm the beaches of Normandy? Wow so is Germany now our enemy and Russia now our ally? How about japan and Italy?
     
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  10. The Thriller

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    Really? This is MAGA?



    Either Pompeo is lying or Turkey just told us, the United States of America, to “Get Out of The Way!”

    Turkey. Just kicked our ***. Turkey.
     
  11. Zombie

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    So they're going with "we were bullied by Turkey to leave" as justification for abandoning the Kurds?

    Wow. What strong leadership.
     
  12. The Thriller

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    Or maybe he’s just lying? But why would he be lying? Who’s he covering up for? Who really wanted us out of northern Syria? And why are we letting another country bully us? What else could he be lying about?

    Interesting thought:

    Could Lindsey Graham have done more to sell out for Trump? Yet is it even possible for him to have less influence over Trump? He spent all of this time and energy kissing Trump’s backside with the hope of having influence and look at how little influence he has. What has he gotten out of this transactional relationship?
     
  13. Zombie

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    It's not great when the unlikely "official" story is that the commander in chief caved under pressure from Turkey at the expense of our ally, and the security of ISIS prisoners.

    There are so many legitimate questions surrounding Trump's foreign policy, it's hard to know where to start. Why do so many of his actions end up benefiting Russia? How much do his international business interests end up influencing his decision making? How much has he compromised himself with other leaders who have him on tape asking for favors regarding his political rivals?

    These are not questions the American people should have to ask about their president.
     
  14. The Thriller

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    MAGA!

     
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  15. Zombie

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    This thread...
     
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  16. Nate505

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    I try to stay out of the political threads here, even though I have rather strong opinions on the current POTUS.

    That said, "the Kurds didn't help us at Normandy" line is so shockingly dumb it's hard to comprehend that it's coming from the President of the United States. What a ****ing dumbass clown Trump is.
     
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  17. Zombie

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    Don't worry about the hundreds or thousands of ISIS fighters that might escape, we've got-

    *checks notes*

    two of them in custody, so we're good.
     
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  18. Rubashov

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    Trump has definitely sold the Kurd's out but what is he getting in return? That's what I can't work out, simply disengaging from the conflict seems disingenuous, the Kurd's have always been a handy destabilising influence in the region for the US. Heavy shades of the Gulf War going on but that ended up well for everyone involved...
     
  19. Red

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    Not sure if this is the same source that said Trump was "rolled" and that he "had no spine", but Fox News reported yesterday:

    PENTAGON – President Trump "went off script" during his call on Sunday with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before he announced that the U.S. would withdraw all troops from northeast Syria ahead of a Turkish military operation in the region, a well-placed senior U.S. military source told Fox News on Wednesday.

    During the phone call, Trump had talking points, according to the source: “Tell Erdogan to stay north of the border."

    “He went off script," the source said.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-phone-call-erdogan-turkey-syria

    I'll equate "going off script" with "having no spine".
     
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