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Trump abandons Kurdish allies to Turkish invasion

but does it? At what point does something else some other goal rose above that

what would it take for a rational US president to abandon NATO. Poland, UK, Germany, Hungary...Turkey?
Well, I'm sure there is a theoretical limit that may be reached someday. But it's worked for seventy years now.

A rational president would probably find a way to pin the other party as the "aggressor" and get them kicked out first lol.
 
Well, I'm sure there is a theoretical limit that may be reached someday. But it's worked for seventy years now.

A rational president would probably find a way to pin the other party as the "aggressor" and get them kicked out first lol.

true. But we suddenly have Erdogan and Trump. Are either rational? Abandoning the Kurds over night doesn’t seem rational to me. Nor does the severe crack down and roll back of freedoms in Turkey. According to American journalism at least.
 
If you believe we live in a binary world, where only the events you've imagined are possible, then sure.
Oh lordy, so now I'm living in a binary world. Please tell me what can be more binary than:

'There ISIS! Kurds, attack!'
 
true. But we suddenly have Erdogan and Trump. Are either rational? Abandoning the Kurds over night doesn’t seem rational to me. Nor does the severe Kurdish crack down and roll back of freedoms.
Well, Kurds have been fighting for autonomy and their own state with Turkey for a good forty years now. From that perspective Erdogan is acting rationally.

Trump on the other hand, yeah, it just doesn't make sense. The decision to bail was clearly not well thought out, or consulted on with basically anyone aside from Erdogan as far as I can tell. I guess there could be some heretofore unknown motive for this move by Trump, but I'd hate to speculate.
 
Well, Kurds have been fighting for autonomy and their own state with Turkey for a good forty years now. From that perspective Erdogan is acting rationally.

Trump on the other hand, yeah, it just doesn't make sense. The decision to bail was clearly not well thought out, or consulted on with basically anyone aside from Erdogan as far as I can tell. I guess there could be some heretofore unknown motive for this move by Trump, but I'd hate to specu

Erdogan is an irrational dictator but I like you. You’ve now moved into fourth on my like list

1.NAOS
2.#Franklin
3.One Brow
4.Zombie
 
That's really sweet, you've always been number one in my heart :oops:

liar. But I like that too

edit: did I use “too” right. I never understood the difference and don’t really care to learn it now.
 
The point I was trying to make, which went over your head (my fault, not yours because it is my responsibility to communicate clearly) is that there is a long history of our failed involvement in the Middle East.

Now I was actually in favor of the first Iraqi war. And I reluctantly supported Bush II in the second. I said "reluctantly" because, after Bosnia and Mogadishu, I was beginning to have doubts about our intervention policy and I didn't like the way the Afghan war was progressing with no apparent end in sight. But Bush II said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and I believed that the president had information sources that he couldn't share with us.

Then we found out that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but was hoodwinked into war by an Iraqi dissident who wanted us to kick Saddam out and put him in power. (And thank you, CIA, for doing a such a wonderful job of giving us this intelligence before we went to war.)

So I learned to be very skeptical when our leaders involve us in new wars. What happened in Libya and Egypt showed I was right to be skeptical. Then we got involved in Syria.

You wonder what will happen to the (Syrian) Kurds if we pull out? The same thing that will happen if we pull out next year, or in two years, or in twenty years: they will be left surrounded by hostile regimes. The same regimes that surrounded them before we intervened.

There are no good options, but, perhaps, we should have had the foresight to recognize a fools errand before we invaded a sovereign nation that was never a threat to our national interest.

And, yeah, that's what Nationalist means for those of us who voted for Trump.

You and I both know that “Nationalism” means much more to you Trump voters than merely adopting a more pragmatic and isolationist foreign policy. Come on, the key element of nationalism is its racism.

 
No offense man, but your posts are becoming more and more nonsensical.
So please enlighten me. What sense did it make to invade a sovereign country, which was allied with Russia and had Russian troops and fighter jets based there, whose president did not pose a threat to our national interests? Why did we insist that Assad must be overthrown, when that strategy failed in Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Egypt?

The only rationale I've heard is that we mustn't let the Iranians and Russia have any influence with the Syrian government.
 
You and I both know that “Nationalism” means much more to you Trump voters than merely adopting a more pragmatic and isolationist foreign policy. Come on, the key element of nationalism is its racism.


And now you're resorting to pure, leftist nonsense.
 
And now you're resorting to pure, leftist nonsense.

Looks like the truth struck a nerve. And your rebuttal of my post was laughable.

I don’t even know what “leftist” means. Someone used that term yesterday I think. What does “leftist” mean?
 
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