Hotdog
Well-Known Member
I can’t get over “in my great and unmatched wisdom”. Bizarre world.
I gotta admit. That was pretty stupid. Dude is crazy.
I can’t get over “in my great and unmatched wisdom”. Bizarre world.
I can't get over people seeing that and thinking, yep- that's still my guy.
The point I was trying to make, which went over your head (my fault, not yours because it is my responsibility to communicate clearly) is that there is a long history of our failed involvement in the Middle East.Your initial diatribe at 1:25 bounced around from topic to topic. Was that what you were trying to communicate? It's weird because you then went on a rant about how Assad should release ISIS prisoners (which he did in 2011 that led to ISIS gaining power). Then, you proceeded to mention Carter, Rumsfeld, and Obama/Clinton in a completely disjointed way (but I'm sure it made sense to you).
So much winning
Disgusting.
Da***?You're right. We should bomb the hell out of Turkey, what's another war between NATO allies? Or does it matter that Turkey is a part of NATO?
If we attack a member of NATO, i.e. Turkey, does that put us at war with the other NATO nations? (Although I must admit, bombing the French has a certain appeal.) Or how does war with Russia sound if they attack the Kurds?
Oh, the conundrum we find ourselves in: Break our faith with Kurds or attack a NATO ally and possibly go to war with Russia?
Sure looks like we were pretty damn stupid to put ourselves in this fix by invading Syria.
Da***?
This is one hell of a strawman you've constructed.
Dafuq?
This is one hell of a strawman you've constructed.
Strawman? Are the (Syrian) Kurds not being threatened by the Turks and Russia? Isn't that what is being reported by David Ignatius? What everyone is implying is that the only way we can protect the (Syrian) Kurds is if we continue our illegal occupation of a sovereign nation in perpetuity.Dafuq?
This is one hell of a strawman you've constructed.
I mean, Turkey would want a war with the US about as much as we would. Which of course is why US presence and support of the Kurds acted as a deterrent to an invasion.it also raises interesting, to me at least, questions.
How does a war between NATO allies work?
is desire to keep Turkey in NATO places above allegiance to allies like the Kurds?
If you believe we live in a binary world, where only the events you've imagined are possible, then sure.Strawman? Are the (Syrian) Kurds not being threatened by the Turks and Russia? Isn't that what is being reported by David Ignatius? What everyone is implying is that the only way we can protect the (Syrian) Kurds is if we continue our illegal occupation of a sovereign nation in perpetuity.
I mean, Turkey would want a war with the US about as much as we would. Which of course is why US presence and support of the Kurds acted as a deterrent to an invasion.
I think there would be a diplomatic breakdown and a disintegration of NATO before its members would engage in warfare with one another.
Yeah I gotcha, I guess my point is that organizations like NATO exist in part because it creates a mutually beneficial arrangement where the need to stay in overrides whatever kind of objective might be met by an action that would lead to getting kicked out.I don’t mean us and Turkey specifically and it SL all hypothetical and back room whiskey talk.
But watching it play out as national policy is horrendous.
rise up Rs. RISE UP AND THROW HIM DOWN IN RIGHTEOUS FURY
Yeah I gotcha, I guess my point is that organizations like NATO exist in part because it creates a mutually beneficial arrangement where the need to stay in overrides whatever kind of objective might be met by an action that would lead to getting kicked out.
Well, I'm sure there is a theoretical limit that may be reached someday. But it's worked for seventy years now.but does it? At what point does something else some other goal rose above that
what would it take for a rational US president to abandon NATO. Poland, UK, Germany, Hungary...Turkey?
Well, I'm sure there is a theoretical limit that may be reached someday. But it's worked for seventy years now.
A rational president would probably find a way to pin the other party as the "aggressor" and get them kicked out first lol.
Oh lordy, so now I'm living in a binary world. Please tell me what can be more binary than:If you believe we live in a binary world, where only the events you've imagined are possible, then sure.
Well, Kurds have been fighting for autonomy and their own state with Turkey for a good forty years now. From that perspective Erdogan is acting rationally.true. But we suddenly have Erdogan and Trump. Are either rational? Abandoning the Kurds over night doesn’t seem rational to me. Nor does the severe Kurdish crack down and roll back of freedoms.