JazzyFresh
Banned
Nice post and thanks.No worries. We'd probably all get a lot further in these threads if we'd cut out the personal attacks. It might not be as entertaining, though.
I get you, but I have to admit I find the way Trump has carried himself during his presidency-- the constant lying, the aggressive antagonism, etc.-- leads me to not trust him. I'm not saying I am right or wrong; it's obviously part of his method of negotiation and managing expectations, and it's a style that resonates with some people-- politicians lie, after all, and some might view his openness about it to be a reason to respect him. I think that's a big part of the reason why there are so many assumptions being made, though: People put off by him believe his lying and antagonism are indicative of shady character that leads to criminal behavior, see coercion implied in the call transcripts, etc., and consider it justification to at least see if there's anything of substance there; people such as yourself find his behavior refreshing and welcome, believe he was standing up to the establishment, and view his interactions as what might be considered unorthodox diplomacy that was not necessarily inappropriate.
Most reasonable, politically moderate/neutral-thinking people (I like to believe that includes me) would say there isn't anything clearly impeachable in front of us yet, but the whole thing smells fishy enough to merit thorough investigation. I don't understand anyone who says he has obviously not done anything wrong and this whole thing is unnecessary-- that's as shortsighted, to me, at this point as saying he is definitely guilty.
Anyway, I guess time will tell, but I'll concede it's hard not to agree with you that testimony and evidence presented so far is not airtight-persuasive, and very much up for interpretation. I can see some of both sides of that interpretation, though, and I absolutely think we need to keep pushing forward until he's either absolved or convicted.
My entire thing here is that I personally feel Bush was a war criminal and lied to get his war. I look at countless things we could've done a 3 year long investigation under Obama. Imagine what we could find if we had transcripts to Bergendol(sp), money shipped over night, IRS targeting Republicans, his involvement with Russia and spygate, him blaming Benghazi on a video, I could go on. I'm not saying he's guilty if anything but I'm sure if we dug hard enough there's something.
I think it's absolutely ascinine to think Trump is the first President to ever overstep his boundaries. At this moment the left has even gotten his lawyer and still not found anything substantial enough. To me this is a flat out which hunt and if Trump is removed it will continue. This is nothing more than political theatre. Hell I bet we could find plenty of dirt on Pelosi and her multi million dollar mansions off of her base salary.