The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[framer]

It's a women's community college league. What' makes you think there aren't former WNBA players who could be just as dominant at the age of 52?

Because former WNBA players at 51 would not be allowed to play on a girl's community college team. The only reason this person got to compete was because of the convergence of morons trying to out virtue signal one another.

 

[One Brow]

Because former WNBA players at 51 would not be allowed to play on a girl's community college team.

Fine. Change "former WNBA player" to "woman with WNBA physique who never played", and answer the question.

The only reason this person got to compete was because of the convergence of morons trying to out virtue signal one another.

They got to play because they didn't have enough college sports history to prevent eligibility. No virtue signaling needed.

 

[bigb]

I didn't say "sprinter", I said "runner". Are you saying that your daughter is bigger and stronger than the other soccer players, or that she has better endurance?[\QUOTE]

While not “fat”, she’s a big, strong girl. 99% of the time, when there is contact, the other player loses. She rarely comes out of a game, playing all 90 minutes (though I think the vast majority of players at that level could do that). What makes my daughter a comp level soccer player is her brains. She anticipates so we’ll and reads the field at a high level.

It sounds like your son would not be atypical transgender athlete, then. He's not even a typical male athlete, as he dominates them, right? [\QUOTE]

He dominated A FEW of the boys that were bigger than him. He worked his butt off to get better at football. Besides, we’re not talking about “atypical athletes”. @Gameface himself said high level athletes are a different topic (I can’t remember how he put it, and I’m not going to look it up to quote it; but that was my understanding). We’re talking a normal high school/college level athlete.

It sounds like he has an advantage against both boys and girls. Do you think he should not be allowed to compete at all?

There are plenty of boys far better than he. There will always be someone bigger/faster/stronger/better. Of course he should be allowed to compete. I’m not even saying (in this made up scenario) that he shouldn’t be allowed to compete against girls. I’m simply saying there would be built in natural advantages.

 

[framer]

Fine. Change "former WNBA player" to "woman with WNBA physique who never played", and answer the question.



They got to play because they didn't have enough college sports history to prevent eligibility. No virtue signaling needed.

The only reason that they had eligibility is because they were not good enough to compete when they were a man. Full stop.

 

[Archie Moses]

Still waiting for evidence that will happen.

I don't think "all" sports will be dominated by transgender women, but a simple Google search will show you that many are dominating or bumping girls from placing or other opportunities.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, this has been a subject of debate for many years now. There are biological differences between women and transgender women and athletes.

I'm fine with drawing the line in the sand.

 

[One Brow]

There are plenty of boys far better than he. There will always be someone bigger/faster/stronger/better. Of course he should be allowed to compete. I’m not even saying (in this made up scenario) that he shouldn’t be allowed to compete against girls. I’m simply saying there would be built in natural advantages.

Currently, girls' high school sports are not being dominated by transgender athletes. So, how do these advantages show up, in actual life?

 

[One Brow]

The only reason that they had eligibility is because they were not good enough to compete when they were a man. Full stop.

She was good enough to be on a different college team back in the day. From what I can tell of the article, she quit because of her diabetes, which was much harder to control back then.

Your narrative just doesn't fit reality.

 

[One Brow]

I don't think "all" sports will be dominated by transgender women, but a simple Google search will show you that many are dominating or bumping girls from placing or other opportunities.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, this has been a subject of debate for many years now. There are biological differences between women and transgender women and athletes.

I'm fine with drawing the line in the sand.

Better athletes bump lesser athletes, every day. Since "many" are dominating, no doubt you can list another 5 or so?

I acknowledge the debate. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the primary reason for the debate is prejudice (revealed in how, for example, some people refer to cis women as just "women", without the modifier) . If the gender differences were so strong, why don't trans women rise dominate cis women in every sport?

 

[Archie Moses]

Better athletes bump lesser athletes, every day. Since "many" are dominating, no doubt you can list another 5 or so?

I acknowledge the debate. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the primary reason for the debate is prejudice (revealed in how, for example, some people refer to cis women as just "women", without the modifier) . If the gender differences were so strong, why don't trans women rise dominate cis women in every sport?

I tell you what, I'll list five cases of transgender athletes winning athletic, competitive events under one condition - you'll say you're ignorant of how many transgender athletes have won athletic events if I can. Deal?

 

[framer]

The primary reason for the debate is prejudice (revealed in how, for example, some people refer to cis women as just "women", without the modifier.)

This is. . . .just. . . .

 

[framer]

I tell you what, I'll list five cases of transgender athletes winning athletic, competitive events under one condition - you'll say you're ignorant of how many transgender athletes have won athletic events if I can. Deal?

He's already googled them, he knows. He just doesn't care because he is just that invested in whatever his dumb damn religion is.

 

[Archie Moses]

If the gender differences were so strong, why don't trans women rise dominate cis women in every sport?

Because letting transgender people participate in sports has been something new to different parts of society and there are a very small percentage of transgender people in sports. Does that make it right though?

To me, gender differences are that strong. Men are bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic than women in sports. This is not a knock on women. It's simple biological differences. I'm sure you're rolling your eyes and think I'm sexist at this point.

I'm sure you can show me links to articles that try and say otherwise, but it's lacking common sense and science, dude.

Look, I'm supportive of transgender people. I support GF and look to him as a pioneer role model parent. I support any transgender person because living their life as a certain gender makes them happy. Live life the way that makes you happy.

I just draw the line at sports. Why? Because transgender male to female people may have the brain of a female, identify as a female, but have undeniable biological traits that give them an advantage over biological women.

@One Brow - Trust me, I have wrong ideas and thought all the time. I have had ideas and thoughts that have progressed/evolved too. I have said, misread and misunderstood many things on Jazzfanz e.g. AOC and her daylight saving time comment I had automatically interrupted backwards in my head cause I think she's a divisive politician. I hope, you at least understand that while I may have opposing views, I'm capable of changing them.

You're going to have to provide me with some hard evidence that transgender people in sports aren't a problem to biological females losing. You can be accepting, loving and supporting but still draw lines.