China's social credit system

[Joe Bagadonuts]

If Warren were elected do you believe that she would be able to enact all her plans into law? Do you think Congress would do her bidding?

I don't.

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So you would vote for her because you believe that Congress would stop her from implementing the plans that she promised in order to get elected?

 

[fishonjazz]

So you would vote for her because you believe that Congress would stop her from implementing the plans that she promised in order to get elected?

I believe that any and all candidates will have the vast majority of their plans they promised not come to fruition.
Mexico was gonna pay for the wall. Hillary was gonna be locked up. The swamp was gonna be drained. And whatnot.

I would vote for her first and foremost cause she ain't Trump. After that I would look at how she carries herself, if she seems smart, compassionate, well spoken. Do I like her as a human. Does she seem to want to make things better for the people who need the most help or does she want to make things better for the people who need help the least.
All of those things. I'm certainly not scared that all the rich folk are gonna bounce if she gets elected. Simply ain't gonna happen bro

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[babe]

It solved a lot of problems for my mother, and for me, when we needed it.

OK, so that is why you never got a real job? I mean where you thought up the plan, started it up, and made it pay. My parents were both of the elitist/management class. They just didn't believe people could actually do better if left to their own intelligence. No, being a teacher in a socialist paradigm isn't exactly "teaching" so much as propagandizing.



I'm impressed by your ability to simultaneously insult and diminish both the poor and First Nation's people while blathering on ignorantly about what government assistance can do. Truly horrible.

I didn't insult anyone. Except government officials who promoted the war on the native Americans, who ran them down where ever they tried to flee, who never lived up to treaty promises, and who were responsible for the genocidal tribal policies that for many years did not even give them a vote.

Government assistance is crippling to initiative. You got how many rules about what you can earn and what you must do? No self-respecting cave man would want guvmint cheese.



You forget, I already read her. Yes, she does tell you what you want to hear. No, I'm neither persuaded nor impressed.

OK. you say so. Clearly you're not a quick study. I still don't think I can very completely describe her in any sense. She is religious. She is smart. She loves to see "her people" make it in spite of whatever difficulties they face. She is a "can-do" sort who really doesn't want bureaucrats handing out cheese, however it is made. She will make her own, her own way. I respect that.

Don't be confused. If you care for my response to each statment I'll try to put it next to your relevant remarks.

I don't really think you know what an insult is. My wife says people who dish it out straight are not insulting you, because they expect you to be smarter than that.

 

[Keefe]

OK. you say so. Clearly you're not a quick study. I still don't think I can very completely describe her in any sense. She is religious. She is smart. She loves to see "her people" make it in spite of whatever difficulties they face. She is a "can-do" sort who really doesn't want bureaucrats handing out cheese, however it is made. She will make her own, her own way. I respect that.

Don't be confused. If you care for my response to each statment I'll try to put it next to your relevant remarks.

I don't really think you know what an insult is. My wife says people who dish it out straight are not insulting you, because they expect you to be smarter than that.

For her sake, I hope your wife’s deaf.

 

[One Brow]

OK, so that is why you never got a real job? I mean where you thought up the plan, started it up, and made it pay. My parents were both of the elitist/management class. They just didn't believe people could actually do better if left to their own intelligence. No, being a teacher in a socialist paradigm isn't exactly "teaching" so much as propagandizing.

You've been insulting people a lot lately. Is everything OK?

I've never started my own business because I don't want to devote that much of my life to gathering of money. Every successful entrepreneur, franchisee, etc. I've ever met worked 60 hours a week or so at their business, at least for a long while. I had other things that were important to me.

As far as "real job", I gathered years of experience in fast food, worked in telephone sales, and did just a little bit of construction, not counting the various other odd jobs. Today, my primary job is in databases, not teaching, and I find the notion that my evening job at a community college being described as a "socialist paradigm" quite hilarious.

I didn't insult anyone.

Yes, you did. Every time that you claim giving people a little help to get through difficult times will destroy their character, you insult them.

Except government officials who promoted the war on the native Americans, who ran them down where ever they tried to flee, who never lived up to treaty promises, and who were responsible for the genocidal tribal policies that for many years did not even give them a vote.

No argument there.

Government assistance is crippling to initiative. You got how many rules about what you can earn and what you must do? No self-respecting cave man would want guvmint cheese.

More insults directed at poor people. It's more noble for your kids to starve that to accept help?

OK. you say so. Clearly you're not a quick study.

Possibly. Perhaps I just see the world too differently than you, and can manage to say so without being insulting about it.

I still don't think I can very completely describe her in any sense. She is religious. She is smart. She loves to see "her people" make it in spite of whatever difficulties they face. She is a "can-do" sort who really doesn't want bureaucrats handing out cheese, however it is made. She will make her own, her own way. I respect that.

It sounds like she makes plenty of money telling white people what they want to hear.

I don't really think you know what an insult is. My wife says people who dish it out straight are not insulting you, because they expect you to be smarter than that.

Just to be clear, you want to put aside basic politeness for our exchange, in favor of dishing it out straight'? I don't mind, but such exchanges tend to become unpleasant to read.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I read it. While it claims Rihard Rubin found a way to push the tax rate over 100%, this article did not present those numbers.

Also, the phrase "Let’s assume over the next 10 years that the $48.7 million in income grows at an annual rate of 7 percent." was dishonest, because was not income, it was the amount that remained after taxes.

Further, there was no discussion at all of the foundations, company shells, tax-reducing opportunities, and various other ways that billionaires use today to shelter their taxes. None of them will even be paying 60%, much less over 90%.



Because there are so many other places in the world where you could earn that $150 million, safely, to begin with? Money follows opportunity.



People do love their money.

I think, if anything, she is underestimating the impact that the wealth tax would have on this individual. Unless I'm misunderstanding, she's calculating the wealth tax portion on the profit. It should be charged on the entire wealth.

Yes, money follows opportunity. Also, money flees taxation. Warren's plans would be economically disastrous for this country.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think, if anything, she is underestimating the impact that the wealth tax would have on this individual. Unless I'm misunderstanding, she's calculating the wealth tax portion on the profit. It should be charged on the entire wealth.

Yes, money follows opportunity. Also, money flees taxation. Warren's plans wouldn't happen just like the other candidates outside the box plans won't happen.

Fixed the end for you.

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[One Brow]

Yes, money follows opportunity. Also, money flees taxation. Warren's plans would be economically disastrous for this country.

Money only flees taxation where there is equal opportunity.

 

[babe]

@One Brow

If I couldn't take what people say, much of it not so nicely dished out, I wouldn't care to come here. You're not that crude, and I'm not that thin-skinned.

My big issue right now is I have to write a book. I've hired some help with the grunt parts of it, and will more or less have to piece it all together.

About the only thing I would really want to discuss with you is Sonnie Johnson. But you are in no frame of mind to see the light.

Until you learn to listen to other people, you will never really be discussing life, the universe, or even yourself. You will be projecting some imagined reality on your audience.

When I have ever learned anything, it was from just listening to somebody else.

 

[One Brow]

About the only thing I would really want to discuss with you is Sonnie Johnson. But you are in no frame of mind to see the light.

I've read and heard the equivalents of Sonny Johnson for decades. Do you really think she is saying anything novel?

Until you learn to listen to other people, ...

It's so weird how you religious types think that listening implies agreement. You can liste4n carefully to someone, or read them, and know they are wrong.

Tell you what, though. Pick one article or podcast you think really reflects Sonny well, I'll listen to it or read it carefully, and lay out all the points I agree and disagree with. Sound good to you?

 

[babe]

I've read and heard the equivalents of Sonny Johnson for decades. Do you really think she is saying anything novel?



It's so weird how you religious types think that listening implies agreement. You can liste4n carefully to someone, or read them, and know they are wrong.

Tell you what, though. Pick one article or podcast you think really reflects Sonny well, I'll listen to it or read it carefully, and lay out all the points I agree and disagree with. Sound good to you?

Sounds like a deal. I will start a thread with a link to Sonnie.

We have a near perfect inversion of values around "religion". Pretty sure you have no idea what "religion" is for me, or how it figures. I'd call "socialism" or "progressivism" everything you imagine "religion" to be for Christians.

Time for another LTE essay, maybe.

 

[Gameface]

Sounds like a deal. I will start a thread with a link to Sonnie.

We have a near perfect inversion of values around "religion". Pretty sure you have no idea what "religion" is for me, or how it figures. I'd call "socialism" or "progressivism" everything you imagine "religion" to be for Christians.

Time for another LTE essay, maybe.

You have no understanding of atheism. None.

 

[babe]

You have no understanding of atheism. None.

I have all the possible understanding of a belief system about nothing.

You claim the license to make up whatever you want.

I could, perhaps, say the same thing about any sort of "theism", of course...... except for one incontrovertible "fact", as some imagine it.

whether we can know such a "fact" or not, it not so futile a belief as the effort to dismiss it must be.

Life, itself, is beyond our knowing, but few find it a worthy aspiration to conduct business while denying that undefinable "fact".

 

[Red]

This is unrelated to the social credit system, but maybe not entirely unrelated, as it is a more extreme application of enforced conformity. And familiar to many by now. A group known as the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists has released a Chinese secret memo that details instructions on how to run the reeducation camps. The document can be viewed here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...a-chinese-detention-centre-annotated-document

"The internal workings of a vast system of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Muslim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist party documents published on Sunday.

A classified order from a top Chinese security official makes clear the re-education camps in the country’s north-west – which it describes as vocational training centres – are involuntary, secret and used for ideological “education transformation”.
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• "Never allow escapes"
• "Increase discipline and punishment of behavioural violations"
• "Promote repentance and confession"
• "Make remedial Mandarin studies the top priority"
• "Encourage students to truly transform"
• "[Ensure] full video surveillance coverage of dormitories and classrooms free of blind spots"

 

[babe]

For her sake, I hope your wife’s deaf.

She can hear a mouse in the house next door.

She tells me clearly enough what she thinks.

 

[str8line]

I believe that any and all candidates will have the vast majority of their plans they promised not come to fruition.
Mexico was gonna pay for the wall. Hillary was gonna be locked up. The swamp was gonna be drained. And whatnot.

I would vote for her first and foremost cause she ain't Trump. After that I would look at how she carries herself, if she seems smart, compassionate, well spoken. Do I like her as a human. Does she seem to want to make things better for the people who need the most help or does she want to make things better for the people who need help the least.
All of those things. I'm certainly not scared that all the rich folk are gonna bounce if she gets elected. Simply ain't gonna happen bro

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Great post.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ya it's still china so it's obviously not perfect but if there were a way to track good deeds and kindness and also punish people when they are assholes and doing things that are wrong and the hypothetical outcome was that people started acting nicer and being better people then I think that would be cool.

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Have you ever seen the Good Place? That system doesn't work either.

 

[LogGrad98]

For her sake, I hope your wife’s deaf.

His wife is a kind patient soul, and a great conversationalist. We had lunch and I met babe, and his wife and daughters. Delightful.

 

[Keefe]

His wife is a kind patient soul, and a great conversationalist. We had lunch and I met babe, and his wife and daughters. Delightful.

Seriously?

 

[str8line]

His wife is a kind patient soul, and a great conversationalist. We had lunch and I met babe, and his wife and daughters. Delightful.

You traveled to his cabin in Montana?