China's social credit system

str8line

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This is surveillance to the extreme. And I thought traffic cameras in Europe were bad.


"Offenses that could impact social credit ratings include failing to pay a fine, jaywalking, loitering, or even not picking up after your dog. The country is working to combine its 170+ million security cameras with artificial intelligence and facial recognition technology to create a vast surveillance state in order to keep tabs on citizen's activities."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...perty-or-going-clubbing/ar-BBWDbTe?li=BBnbfcL
 

fishonjazz

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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Gameface

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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They also track purchases. Beer? Cigarettes? Score goes down.
They also track your online activity. Have an idea that you think will make China better, but is different than the current party line? Score goes down.

With a low enough score you are not allowed to use public transportation or rent an apartment and forbidden from travel in general outside your local area.
 

fishonjazz

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They also track purchases. Beer? Cigarettes? Score goes down.
They also track your online activity. Have an idea that you think will make China better, but is different than the current party line? Score goes down.

With a low enough score you are not allowed to use public transportation or rent an apartment and forbidden from travel in general outside your local area.
Ya it's still china so it's obviously not perfect but if there were a way to track good deeds and kindness and also punish people when they are assholes and doing things that are wrong and the hypothetical outcome was that people started acting nicer and being better people then I think that would be cool.

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Hotdog

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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I totally agree. We could use more surveillance and government in our lives.

Wish I pump your social credit score up. You are awesome.
 

Hotdog

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They also track purchases. Beer? Cigarettes? Score goes down.
They also track your online activity. Have an idea that you think will make China better, but is different than the current party line? Score goes down.

With a low enough score you are not allowed to use public transportation or rent an apartment and forbidden from travel in general outside your local area.
Well, people who don't bend the knee to social goodness are not very good themselves.

Im with Fish. I welcome the government peering into our lives and keeping people we dont like in check. We need that.

Beyond not allowing people to get apartments and stuff we should also censor people who fall out of line. We should not allow people to talk about things they shouldnt be talking about. Its damaging to society. We should take away all social media from those that dont obey.
 

Harambe

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If they start tracking internet usage here and holding it against us, I’m ****ed. Every porn star will take out God damn restraining orders against me I frequent that **** so much.
NordVPN bro. At one point you have ask yourself the lesser of two evils; knowing the difference between VPN and a Proxy service, or Chloe St-Vegas tweeting about she keeps seeing you at Starbucks
 
This is surveillance to the extreme. And I thought traffic cameras in Europe were bad.


"Offenses that could impact social credit ratings include failing to pay a fine, jaywalking, loitering, or even not picking up after your dog. The country is working to combine its 170+ million security cameras with artificial intelligence and facial recognition technology to create a vast surveillance state in order to keep tabs on citizen's activities."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...perty-or-going-clubbing/ar-BBWDbTe?li=BBnbfcL
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Gameface

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Black Mirror has a pretty good episode, "Nosedive" S3 E1, that kind of shows how this could go, even if it was just social and not government driven. Plus consider, this is the beginning. China's not even very good at monitoring people compared to where they'll be 5-10 years from now. They're gonna be working out the kinks in this sort of monitoring real fast.

 
Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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You are like Sam from Quantum Leap. Making right what once went wrong. Dick. I left that garbage there for a reason.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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I think you are failing to understand how far this system can/will go. Either that or you have an awful lot more confidence/trust in government than I do.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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Ya it's still china so it's obviously not perfect but if there were a way to track good deeds and kindness and also punish people when they are assholes and doing things that are wrong and the hypothetical outcome was that people started acting nicer and being better people then I think that would be cool.

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Do you think it would be cool if the government penalized you for having political opinions that they didn't appreciate? Do you think it would be cool if they offered bonuses of some sort to the biggest suck ups? Do you think it would be cool if they judged you on criteria that made no sense to you?

For example, my insurance company recently sent me a device to install in my car that monitors my driving. It beeps when you do something that it deems unsafe, such as braking too fast. After a short time I learned that I have to be extremely gentle on the brakes or I will get a demerit. So I'm driving on the freeway when someone swerves in front of me and jams on their brakes. What do I do? If I hit my brakes I'll get a demerit for sure. If I swerve into the other lane I might be able to avoid getting a demerit, but I'll risk hitting someone since I have no time to figure out exactly what's there. If I plow into the back of him (which at that moment he richly deserved) I will be at fault, of course. So I hit the brakes and got a demerit.

Shortly after that I got off the freeway. A light turned yellow as I approached it. I was at a distance where I would normally stop, but I knew if I did I'd get a demerit. So should I run through the light to keep my score high? Unintended consequences.
 

lauriandres

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Do you think it would be cool if the government penalized you for having political opinions that they didn't appreciate? Do you think it would be cool if they offered bonuses of some sort to the biggest suck ups? Do you think it would be cool if they judged you on criteria that made no sense to you?
Joe Bagadonuts,

Doesn't the sentence "government will penalize you for having wrong political opinions" mean, that at least in USA about half the people will like that law? As long as the government is formed using the votes of the US citizens. Of course, on a city level it is possible and easier to form a political party (at least in my country), which for example promises, that poor people will get 500 euros per month. As long as the poor are united and rich people are divided (currently the situation in our capital, Tallinn), the good-for-poor-but-high-taxes-for-rich party promises something good for poor, they get enough votes to have 51% in the city parliament and of course enforce some laws so the rich people pay more fees, usually related to the stuff which are easier for the rich people to obtain.
 

One Brow

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Doesn't the sentence "government will penalize you for having wrong political opinions" mean, that at least in USA about half the people will like that law?
I'd put it at closer to 20%, not too unevenly divided between people who think insulting the less favored should be criminalized and those that think insulting the powerful, or the symbols of power, should be criminalized. We have a strong tradition of not using the government to penalize speech that is central to what both large political parties believe, and many of the smaller ones.
 

Jazzmix

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Black Mirror has a pretty good episode, "Nosedive" S3 E1, that kind of shows how this could go, even if it was just social and not government driven. Plus consider, this is the beginning. China's not even very good at monitoring people compared to where they'll be 5-10 years from now. They're gonna be working out the kinks in this sort of monitoring real fast.


When I saw that I immediately thought about that episode of Black Mirror. It's happening there, Orwell's "1984" comes to reality.
 

Archie Moses

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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I'd be down for this for the dog poop thing alone. So many ****s in Daybreak let their dog **** everywhere and don't bat an eye when it comes to cleaning it up.

Although I'm certainly not a fan of a servailence state, I'm really not that afraid of either. I'm probably naive for feeling this way. I feel people should obey laws and act orderly in public.

After listening to Snowden of Rogan's podcast, I felt it's ****ed up the government, businesses and hackers can see what you do online, listen to you, track you, etc, but as an ordinary folk that's not doing anything worthwhile to follow, I'm not afraid of it. It certainly infringes on our freedom though.
 

Jazzta

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Honestly doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm generally a nice guy who picks up my dogs poop, doesn't litter (even picks up other people's garbage), helps people in need (car stuck in the snow, help fix a flat tire), and I don't have anything to hide. I couldn't care less if the government wants to watch and listen to everything I do.


I can see why some people would be against it though.

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Totally against, the govt has no business in knowing what I do in my private life as long as I don’t break the law.
 
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