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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

The Thriller said:
So this is the Republican rationale now? Wow



keep in mind, Alan is one of Donald’s actual impeachment defenders. I’d give my next paycheck for a reporter to ask senators Romney, Lee, Collins, Gardner, and Murkowski what they think about Alan’s comment.
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He is making a constitutional argument. Is that too much for you to comprehend?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Whoa, this sounds like a game changer! For reference could you please tell us how many times the GAO said that Obama broke the law?
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Two wrongs not making a right notwithstanding - Trump violated that law in furtherance of his own personal interest,Obama's DoD did so to bring a US POW back home.
 
Zombie said:
Two wrongs not making a right notwithstanding - Trump violated that law in furtherance of his own personal interest,Obama's DoD did so to bring a US POW back home.
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The GAO accused Obama of breaking the law seven times. The GAO did not accuse or prove that Trump did anything for any more personal reason than Obama did. That's purely your spin.
 
Zombie said:
A very bad one, and one he wouldn't be making if he believed Trump wasn't guilty of abusing of power.
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He made a similar argument when Clinton was impeached. In 2016 he was public in his support of Hillary. He is not a Trump fan. He is a fan of the constitution. He's well respected and he is making a clear constitutional argument.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
He is making a constitutional argument. Is that too much for you to comprehend?
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He claims that abuse of power isn’t an impeachable offense. Which is laughable. Not only did the founders make it clear that they feared the executive would gain too much power but they gave the legislative branch the impeachment to guard against the executive’s abuse of power.

If abuse of power isn’t impeachable, why even have impeachment in the constitution anyway?
 
I’m curious, do Trumpers not understand where this is headed? Are they this ignorant of history? This stupid?



maybe this answers my own question...

 
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The Thriller said:
He claims that abuse of power isn’t an impeachable offense. Which is laughable. Not only did the founders make it clear that they feared the executive would gain too much power but they gave the legislative branch the impeachment to guard against the executive’s abuse of power.

If abuse of power isn’t impeachable, why even have impeachment in the constitution anyway?
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Are you aware that Republicans consistently accuse Democrats of "abuse of power." Many Republicans believe that Obama and Clinton abused their power repeatedly. They kept using their power to do things that the Republicans didn't like at all. Have you ever heard of a crime called "abuse of power?" No, you haven't, because it doesn't exist.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
He made a similar argument when Clinton was impeached. In 2016 he was public in his support of Hillary. He is not a Trump fan. He is a fan of the constitution. He's well respected and he is making a clear constitutional argument.
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He isn't though, maybe he was and shouldn't have been, but his relationship with Epstein basically torpedoed his respectability. Well that and making ludicrous constitutional arguments.

Just in case you wanted some evidence beyond basic common sense that abuse of power is an impeachable offense, here's Alexander Hamilton's opinion in the Federalist Papers:

A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Are you aware that Republicans consistently accuse Democrats of "abuse of power." Many Republicans believe that Obama and Clinton abused their power repeatedly. They kept using their power to do things that the Republicans didn't like at all. Have you ever heard of a crime called "abuse of power?" No, you haven't, because it doesn't exist.
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Lmao this is incredible.

The second article of impeachment against Nixon was for abuse of power.

You are out of your depth here, relying on the words of charlatans and conmen.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Whoa, this sounds like a game changer! For reference could you please tell us how many times the GAO said that Obama broke the law?
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don’t look here, look over there!

distraction games are awesome when your base has ADHD.

hey, by the way, Dems lost the election, republicans are in power. Time to move on.

Keep changing the subject,
 
Zombie said:
Lmao this is incredible.

The second article of impeachment against Nixon was for abuse of power.

You are out of your depth here, relying on the words of charlatans and conmen.
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come on, all the cool kids are abusing power! Everyone does it! Why are we picking on weakling Donnie?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The GAO accused Obama of breaking the law seven times. The GAO did not accuse or prove that Trump did anything for any more personal reason than Obama did. That's purely your spin.
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so when Obama exchanges Taliban prisoners in exchange for releasing an American prisoner (one of the 7 times GAO cited Obama), Obama personally benefitted from this? Dude, throw in the towel you are just embarrassing yourself.
 
So the right wing nut jobs go from “trump broke no law”. To “ok, he broke the law but everyone does it”

it is like arguing with mindless quicksand. No matter what facts come out they will obey and protect their master.
 
Actual historians, so you don’t have to rely on “Joe Bag o Nuts” nonsense:









some good reading:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/us/politics/impeachment-historians.html
Over 750 historians — including Robert Caro and Ken Burns — signed onto a statement condemning President Trump’s ‘numerous and flagrant abuses of power.’

“President Trump’s numerous and flagrant abuses of power are precisely what the Framers had in mind as grounds for impeaching and removing a president,” the statement says. “The President’s offenses, including his dereliction in protecting the integrity of the 2020 election from Russian disinformation and renewed interference, arouse once again the Framers’ most profound fears that powerful members of government would become, in Hamilton’s words, ‘the mercenary instruments of foreign corruption.’”
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silesian said:
so when Obama exchanges Taliban prisoners in exchange for releasing an American prisoner (one of the 7 times GAO cited Obama), Obama personally benefitted from this? Dude, throw in the towel you are just embarrassing yourself.
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I wasn't aware of the part where the GAO said anything about the motivations of any of the presidents regarding the laws that they claim they have broken. Also I am not agreeing with the GAO that either Obama or Trump broke the law. I am commenting on the nature of GAO reports and how they have been handled in the past. You are welcome to hang your hat on the GAO statement regarding Trump. It's my opinion that you are ultimately going to be disappointed by the strength of this "evidence."
 
silesian said:
I’ve seen some really good persuasive con men in my lifetime. I don’t get how people keep being tricked by IMPOTUS. he does not seem that smart or skilled in the art.
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he makes them feel important. He validates their hatreds and prejudices. Trumpers aren’t concerned about actually accomplishing anything. They just get off triggering others. People like @Joe Bagadonuts and @Heathme arent actually convincing anyone of anything. Hell, they’re not even attempting to defend their boy. But if they can trigger others? It gets them off and makes them feel important.

it’s one big troll job
 
silesian said:
don’t look here, look over there!

distraction games are awesome when your base has ADHD.

hey, by the way, Dems lost the election, republicans are in power. Time to move on.

Keep changing the subject,
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When the evidence you point to looks so familiar (because similar things have come up in the past) we're not allowed to notice and compare?
The Thriller said:
he makes them feel important. He validates their hatreds and prejudices. Trumpers aren’t concerned about actually accomplishing anything. They just get off triggering others. People like @Joe Bagadonuts and @Heathme arent actually convincing anyone of anything. Hell, they’re not even attempting to defend their boy. But if they can trigger others? It gets them off and makes them feel important.

it’s one big troll job
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Incorrect.
 
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