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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

It's my opinion that you are ultimately going to be disappointed by the strength of this "evidence."

ive already heard confessions from trump and his chief of staff so rest assured I am not disappointed. The trump lemmings will of course vote to acquit and their reputations will follow him off the cliff.
 
He isn't though, maybe he was and shouldn't have been, but his relationship with Epstein basically torpedoed his respectability. Well that and making ludicrous constitutional arguments.

Just in case you wanted some evidence beyond basic common sense that abuse of power is an impeachable offense, here's Alexander Hamilton's opinion in the Federalist Papers:

A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

Hamilton sounds prescient here:

"According to preeminent Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow, Hamilton was trying to protect the country from someone with demagogic tendencies. "From the outset, Hamilton feared an unholy trinity of traits in a future president — ambition, avarice and vanity," Chernow wrote last month in The Washington Post.

He points to one of Hamilton's writings in 1792 where the Treasury secretary warns about someone who might exhibit those inclinations, and Chernow argues that it sounds a lot like the current occupant of the Oval Office:

"When a man unprincipled in private life[,] desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind."

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/18/7799...ns-what-the-founders-feared-about-impeachment
 
You guys are a broken record. Every single time you guys present the liberal side of every issue and they are always wrong. You have been certain that every BS scandal and accusation would be "the one". Yet here we are, a sham of an impeachment continues and the Senate can finally call actual witnesses. They are no longer hiding behind closed doors like the House did. Trump Derangement Syndrome gone wild!!!

I do believe some Trump supporters conflate bullying and strength. Trump certainly talks like a bully. My problem with this persona is I do equate it with weakness and insecurity. I think we should take very seriously the degree of insecurity the man displays. I should think we would be concerned with what we see, given that we handed him the highest office in our government. Doesn't everybody notice this by now, this man who seems to worry only about what others think of him? That's human, but he takes it to an unhealthy degree. He cannot hide his deep insecurities. Don't have to be an armchair psychologist to see that. It's a signature characteristic of Donald Trump.

But I think perhaps his bullying persona, his tough guy persona, is seen as strength by some of his supporters, perhaps in proportion to who is being verbally slammed by Trump. Trump supporters should understand this tough guy bully is just an act. It's the quite transparent insecurity that reveals the truth behind that act. It's so transparent. How can you ignore that degree of insecurity, given his position?

I've never known a bully exterior that was not masking a coward at heart.

Further, the alternative reality Trump and his allies in the media have created is truly diabolical, with its elements of the press as the enemy, the news as Lie, the Deep State aligned against the people. They have driven it home until it is believed in by millions. And that's what's diabolical about it. To deliberately foster belief in a lie, that likely has the staying power to continue to manipulate the minds and actions of a considerable portion of the electorate for a long time. Trump may be the star of this fiction now, it's his cocoon, his weaponized alternative history, but it can be utilized by other power mongers, other demagogues. Or simply exist as a huge psychological cesspool conditioning beliefs that generate hate and division for generations more. We will have Trump, Barr, Giuliani, Nunes, Hannity and Co, for helping create this sickness.

Even without conspiracy tween Trump and Putin, could Putin have possibly asked for more than this? Seems to me it may even be the seed of our demise as a nation. I don't know how one deprograms a cult, when the cult is this huge. Trumpsters have been hoodwinked, how do you help them realize this? It will have to start with Trumpsters being honest with themselves.

And you know what? Realizing all this about Trump does not require anything called Trump Derangement Syndrome. It simply requires knowing right from wrong, inner strength from massive insecurity, a good heart from cruelty.

I honestly believe the true TDS is the Trump cult itself.
 
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I have no clue what you are saying here.
In that particular case it was saying that when the GAO said that Trump committed a crime it seems reasonable to look to the past to see the reaction when the GAO said that Obama had committed a crime. Turns out that under the past administration acts designated as crimes by the GAO don't matter to the left or the media at all. Why should they matter now? Similar scenarios keep playing out. While most people on the right don't like the rules that the left has successfully written, they are not willing to play by rules that are harsher/stricter than the those imposed on their opponents.

I hope Trump never uses bleach bit to delete 30K of subpoenaed emails, but if he does the left is going to deserve all the explanations of why such an act does not matter that are bound to rain down upon them.
 
I hope Trump never uses bleach bit to delete 30K of subpoenaed emails, but if he does the left is going to deserve all the explanations of why such an act does not matter that are bound to rain down upon them.

Trumpers still throwing this debunked conspiracy around? Why not recycle some Vince Foster or Seth rich stuff while you’re at it? I could maybe understand being this ignorant for a short period of time because all you do is consume right wing media. But it’s been years since the FBI investigated this and came to the conclusion that the server company did this without Clinton’s knowledge and without criminal intent. And before you call the FBI a bunch of liberal Clinton lovers, remember, Comey was a registered Republican and did Clinton zero favors in 2016.

Facts
Still
Matter

Why are Trumpers so stupid? Or does Trumpism make people stupid?
 
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In that particular case it was saying that when the GAO said that Trump committed a crime it seems reasonable to look to the past to see the reaction when the GAO said that Obama had committed a crime. Turns out that under the past administration acts designated as crimes by the GAO don't matter to the left or the media at all. Why should they matter now? Similar scenarios keep playing out. While most people on the right don't like the rules that the left has successfully written, they are not willing to play by rules that are harsher/stricter than the those imposed on their opponents.

I hope Trump never uses bleach bit to delete 30K of subpoenaed emails, but if he does the left is going to deserve all the explanations of why such an act does not matter that are bound to rain down upon them.

you are making progress by equating Trump’s crimes to those of criminal Democrats, so good for you.

We agree that trump is a criminal
 
Whoa. What the???



Meanwhile, here is an analysis of the humanitarian and environmental disaster known as Trump's border wall:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176651/tomgram:_william_debuys,_creating_steelhenge_on_the_border/

A new Wild West has taken root not far from Tombstone, Arizona, known to many for its faux-historical reenactments of the old West. We’re talking about a long, skinny territory -- a geographic gerrymander -- that stretches east across New Mexico and down the Texan Rio Grande to the Gulf of Mexico. It also runs west across hundreds of miles of desert to California and the Pacific Ocean. Like the old Wild West, this one is lawless, save for the law of the gun. But that old West was lawless for want of government. This one is lawless because of it.

The Department of Homeland Security, under authority conferred by Congress, has declared more than 50 federal laws inoperable along sections of the U.S. boundary with Mexico, the better to build the border wall that Donald Trump has promised his “base.” Innumerable state laws and local ordinances have also been swept aside. Predictably, the Endangered Species Act is among the fallen. So are the National Historic Preservation Act, the Wilderness Act, laws restricting air and water pollution, and measures protecting wildlife, landscapes, Native American sacred sites, and even caves and fossils.
 
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Ten years from now everyone will be “who voted for that clown?!? Certainly not me.”

people distanced themselves after Nixon resigned, and he was actually a competent crook surrounded by people who were not keystone cops.

Folks from the Nixon era survived with their reputations mostly intact. With today’s technology and as facts emerge, more and more of trump’s associates will be disgraced, in jail, or both.

guys, the sooner you jump from the sinking ship the better the chances of not being branded a forever loser.
 
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We all knew this would eventually be their argument:



Any senator who votes to acquit is voting to enable an all-powerful executive. This will have dire consequences on foreign policy, our democracy, and essentially erases impeachment from the Constitution. Any senator who votes to acquit should be voted out of office immediately.
 
Example 125,957,947,375 of the right flip flopping to accommodate Donald trump:



it’s amazing to see these horrible people like Mitch, Lindsey, and Alan defend the indefensible
 
I have no clue what you are saying here.

Joe lives in a world where anyone he disagrees with believes laws should only be enforced on the ones they hate.

In an effort to blow smoke in your face, he says "well XXXXXX did it", and in his mind it's ok.

Hint: it's not ok. If someone else did the same thing, we need to open a separate case, as I'm confident it will always be different, but perhaps should be questioned.
 
In that particular case it was saying that when the GAO said that Trump committed a crime it seems reasonable to look to the past to see the reaction when the GAO said that Obama had committed a crime.
Did the GAO declare that Obama had committed a crime? Sorry if you posted a link... if so, I missed it. I'll be happy to read the article. While I think Obama was a FAR better president than Trump is, he definitely had faults and I didn't vote for him either time.
 
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