Conley is a chemistry problem and we should trade him

[Isaiah 1:13]

I never said Hou loss was due to Conley. All I'm saying is that we can't afford to give Conley any more time or patience. He needs to pick up his play or his PT will be given to another player. Grizz gave him enough touches last year on their way to finish in the bottom of the West. We will likewise start losing games if we give Conley the same treatment/privilege he received from Grizz last year.

Totally different scenario, Grizz were tanking to get Ja. Your logic is all wrong here, Conley's teams made the playoffs seven of the twelve years he was in Memphis and he did so with underwhelming talent top to bottom. Same small market approach there as here, no superstars ready to sign on, mostly just retreads like Parsons, Tyreke Evans and Zach Randolph. And no offense but Gasol was easily the worst starter on that championship Toronto team last year. Actually, this year's Memphis team is the most talented top to bottom, they've had in eons.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I don't know if this has been brought up because I don't want to read any more pages but there IS a perfect trade partner out there

Conley for Al Horford

Both players are getting a lot of money and bother are seriously underperforming. Philly needs a PG desperately and Jazz need another scoring big it is a win-win for both team.

Jazz play Horford as the back up 5 and 4 and he get 25 minutes a night.

Of all the trade scenarios ever mentioned, I like that one the best. Not faulting Conley at all but with DM and Ingles, perhaps obtaining a top shelf point guard was not really Addressing our biggest deficit.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I don't know if this has been brought up because I don't want to read any more pages but there IS a perfect trade partner out there

Conley for Al Horford

Both players are getting a lot of money and bother are seriously underperforming. Philly needs a PG desperately and Jazz need another scoring big it is a win-win for both teams.

Jazz play Horford as the back up 5 and 4 and he gets 25 minutes a night.

You would look at a line up like this

Mitchell
O'Neale
Ingles
Bogdanovic
Gobert

Bench

Mudiay
Clarkson
Niang
Horford

 

[Getting Traded]

Totally different scenario, Grizz were tanking to get Ja. Your logic is all wrong here, Conley's teams made the playoffs seven of the twelve years he was in Memphis and he did so with underwhelming talent top to bottom. Same small market approach there as here, no superstars ready to sign on, mostly just retreads like Parsons, Tyreke Evans and Zach Randolph. And no offense but Gasol was easily the worst starter on that championship Toronto team last year. Actually, this year's Memphis team is the most talented top to bottom, they've had in eons.

ZBo was no retread. One of the best offensive bigs in the league. He could score at will in the paint. And you seriously underrate Gasol.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

ZBo was no retread. One of the best offensive bigs in the league. He could score at will in the paint. And you seriously underrate Gasol.

Well he wasn’t good enough to stay on the Clips after they drafted Griffin. Actually the very definition of retread- he’d been on four teams and was 28 when he hit Memphis.

 

[jom2003]

Totally different scenario, Grizz were tanking to get Ja. Your logic is all wrong here, Conley's teams made the playoffs seven of the twelve years he was in Memphis and he did so with underwhelming talent top to bottom. Same small market approach there as here, no superstars ready to sign on, mostly just retreads like Parsons, Tyreke Evans and Zach Randolph. And no offense but Gasol was easily the worst starter on that championship Toronto team last year. Actually, this year's Memphis team is the most talented top to bottom, they've had in eons.

Yeah, Grizz was tanking by letting Conley handle the ball as much as he want with no regards to repercussions whatsoever. If Conley was really that good, wouldn't it hurt Grizz’s tank plan by playing him that way? Cough**Speaking of logic here***cough

instead, they did the complete opposite by playing Conley the most amount of minutes in years(most since the start of grit n grind era), letting him take the most number of shots in his career, and putting the ball in his hands for the most number of times in his career(career high in usg%) and it all leads to the worst regular season finish for the grizz in years. If anything, Conley was the tank commander for them.

And the talent disparity argument doesn't work here either, since Conley last season pretty much had this same grizz roster that Ja has now, with a few minor additions of Crowder(who sucks bad this year), Grayson Allen(barely a NBA player) and the rookie Clark. They simply put the ball in Ja's hand the same way they did with Conley last season and now they are competing for a playoffs spot instead of tanking.

People just need to realize that Conley really wasn't as good as they thought he was.

 

[Ron Mexico]

We are not in a position to slow down for Conley. Grizz could because they were tanking and their offense sucked. No the case with us. If we are willing to lose games then we let Conley get his touches and find his shots. He's simply not good enough of a scorer or shooter to warrant any more time or patience from us. If we just want a guy who can give us 16 or17 pts a night on OK efficiency, Clarkson is already doing that for us.

We haven't lost because of him and we have time to integrate him. The teams celling with him in rythym is much higher and worth it. We lost to Houston for many reasons. Conley is pretty low on that list.

 

[Ron Mexico]

He hasnt been a floor leader, hes been lost and inconsistent. Players that make the money he do are expected to be difference makers, if the jazz needed a "floor leader" they could have just kept Rubio, at least he played defense

Rubio was awful on defense last year. I think the team would disagree with you about the leadership Conley is bringing.

 

[jom2003]

We haven't lost because of him and we have time to integrate him. The teams celling with him in rythym is much higher and worth it. We lost to Houston for many reasons. Conley is pretty low on that list.

Conley doesn't really raise our ceiling though that is my argument. He's more of a floor raiser in his prime, not the case anymore now that he's washed. His ceiling is questionable at best. If Conley can turn himself into more of a utility role player then maybe. But I doubt it happens for a midget ball dominant point guard who's shown us nothing but poor defense, questionable shot selections and bad turnovers so far

 

[Ron Mexico]

Conley doesn't really raise our ceiling though that is my argument. He's more of a floor raiser in his prime, not the case anymore now that he's washed. His ceiling is questionable at best. If Conley can turn himself into more of a utility role player then maybe. But I doubt it happens for a midget ball dominant point guard who's shown us nothing but questionable shot selections and bad turnovers so far

He just had one of his best seasons last year. He doesn't look physically and different. He simply looks like he is thinking too much and trying to fit in and run the system. He will figure that out he just needs some time. Come later in the season and he won't worry about that anymore. He will just play.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Yeah, Grizz was tanking by letting Conley handle the ball as much as he want with no regards to repercussions whatsoever. If Conley was really that good, wouldn't it hurt Grizz’s tank plan by playing him that way? Cough**Speaking of logic here***

instead, they did the complete opposite by playing Conley the most minutes in year(most since the start of grit n grind era), letting him take the most number of shots in his career, and putting the ball in his hands for the most number of times in his career(career high in usg%) and it all leads to the worst regular season finish for the grizz in years. If anything, Conley was the tank commander for them.

And the talent disparity argument doesn't work here either, since Conley last season pretty much had this same grizz roster that Ja has now, with a few minor additions of Crowder(who sucks bad this year), Grayson Allen(barely a NBA player) and the rookie Clark. They simply put the ball in Ja's hand the same way they did with Conley last season and now they are competing for a playoffs spot instead of tanking.

So you're saying that they were so sure that Conley would screw the pooch, they made sure the ball was in his hands? One of the most beloved players in Grizz history, really? Okay, you win, really good logic there.
PS Brooks and Jackson have improved a whole bunch and Valanciunus is a beast this year. When they traded Gasol there was a bit of an adjustment as well.

 

[jom2003]

He just had one of his best seasons last year. He doesn't look physically and different. He simply looks like he is thinking too much and trying to fit in and run the system. He will figure that out he just needs some time. Come later in the season and he won't worry about that anymore. He will just play.

Last year is his best year and worst year for the Grizz. If we wanna tank like Grizz, then give Conley the ball and let him do his work.

 

[jom2003]

So you're saying that they were so sure that Conley would screw the pooch, they made sure the ball was in his hands? One of the most beloved players in Grizz history, really? Okay, you win, really good logic there.
PS Brooks and Jackson have improved a whole bunch and Valanciunus is a beast this year. Anyway, what's your point? Their record is no better than when they had Conley last year.

Conley was 30-40 in the last 70 games he played for the Grizz. Ja right now is at 23-24 and will be 24-24 after beating the Knicks tonight. that's clearly better

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Conley was 30-40 in the last 70 games he played for the Grizz. Ja right now is at 23-24 and will be 24-24 after beating the Knicks tonight. that's clearly better

You caught me before I could change it. Memphis is doing surprisingly well this year after a slow start. Ja is for real, and that's why they went after him. Memphis is clearly not tanking this season, with their ducks in a row and their payroll in line with lots of flexibility. You do know what tanking is though right? An intentional tank has everything to do with a coach making intentional plays and substitutions in order to orchestrate a loss in order to assure a good draft position.

 

[JazzBird]

Rubio was awful on defense last year. I think the team would disagree with you about the leadership Conley is bringing.

I dont think rubio was awful, hes a bit bigger than conley and wouldnt get out muscled by bigger guards. Im not sure how much leader ship conley has brought since hes bern hurt so much and now is coming off the bench. I mean hes not not a leader but i wouldnt say his leadership or lack of has showed up in the win loss column.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Last year is his best year and worst year for the Grizz. If we wanna tank like Grizz, then give Conley the ball and let him do his work.

Those aren't related. His team was terrible. He played very well. He has shown at times this year when he isn't thinking he can play well.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I dont think rubio was awful, hes a bit bigger than conley and wouldnt get out muscled by bigger guards. Im not sure how much leader ship conley has brought since hes bern hurt so much and now is coming off the bench. I mean hes not not a leader but i wouldnt say his leadership or lack of has showed up in the win loss column.

Rubio was awful last year... He literally could not stay in front of a single player he guarded. The year before he was okay. Conley has been a better defender his whole career over Rubio though. It's easy to to just say he is small, but there are bigger factors.

 

[Eminence]

Lol, Conley's never been a better defender than Rubio. Rubio's one of the best defensive guards in the league, Conley is very very average.

 

[jom2003]

Those aren't related. His team was terrible. He played very well. He has shown at times this year when he isn't thinking he can play well.

how so? ja is pretty much leading this same "terrible team" to a 24-24 record now. i'd say it's clearly related. if he's really that good and grizz wanted to tank, they wouldn't have played conley the way they did last season. conley was clearly their tank commander to finish the season. he collect his stats as grizz collect their L's. good business

 

[jom2003]

Lol, Conley's never been a better defender than Rubio. Rubio's one of the best defensive guards in the league, Conley is very very average.

conley was once a good defender, right around when Rose was still a MVP caliber player/Joakim Noah was the reigning DPOY. look at where those players are now