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Conley is a chemistry problem and we should trade him

sahlensguy said:
Ed Davis gave more effort tonight. Ed Davis.
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Yeah, but Ed is a guy who plays with effort. That's pretty much his thing.

Right now, Conley is a $32M backup point guard. He plays 20 mins per night. I don't see that changing given how important Joe's shooting and Royce's defense are to our starting lineup.
 
Jazzta said:
12/0/1/0/0 5 of the 12 pts were free throws.
There’s still time....
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Catchall said:
I think it's fair to say that Conley is doing harm by taking the ball out of Joe's hands. Joe generates offense and assists in Quin's system better than Mike Conley.

Mike Conley had 1 assist tonight, to go with zero rebounds and zero steals in 21 mins.

Of the guys we have who play with the ball in their hands -- Mitchell, Ingles and Clarkson -- Conley sure looks to be the least productive.
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Catchall said:
I'll have to watch it some more, but it seems to me we put the ball in Conley's hands and very little happens as a result of it. The ball doesn't move. He doesn't create shots for himself or others. We must be using him entirely wrong or something.
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Nah, he is not taking the ball from Joe. Joe still gets to run pick n' roll a lot with Rudy. As of now, Conley mostly stays in the corner while Ingles runs the play with Rudy (Clarkson or Royce on the opposite side). Conley also looks for Bojan mismatches a lot (tonight against Mills, Forbes)

He should have 3 or 4 assists at least. He had a pretty good right handed skip pass to Niang on the left corner that he missed (1st Q,3:16 left). He also found Joe on the left corner but Rudy was called for a 3 sec violation before Joe was able to score (1st Q, 5:07). Bojan missed two really good looks: one from the top of the arc after a Conley hand-off and the other in the second half on a fastbreak from the right side. He also had a good entry pass to Joe for a layup that didn't count as an assist in the first half (was surprised they didn't count it).
 
Other teams can sense weakness and exploit it. The job of a professional player is to exploit whatever issues they find in other teams. Right now, for whatever reason, Mountain Mike can't do it. We are in the midst of the season, he had rest. We may get flashes of peak Conley, but I am afraid this is what the Jazz really have in Mike.
 
latin jazz said:
Nah, he is not taking the ball from Joe. Joe still gets to run pick n' roll a lot with Rudy. As of now, Conley mostly stays in the corner while Ingles runs the play with Rudy (Clarkson or Royce on the opposite side). Conley also looks for Bojan mismatches a lot (tonight against Mills, Forbes)

He should have 3 or 4 assists at least. He had a pretty good right handed skip pass to Niang on the left corner that he missed (1st Q,3:16 left). He also found Joe on the left corner but Rudy was called for a 3 sec violation before Joe was able to score (1st Q, 5:07). Bojan missed two really good looks: one from the top of the arc after a Conley hand-off and the other in the second half on a fastbreak from the right side. He also had a good entry pass to Joe for a layup that didn't count as an assist in the first half (was surprised they didn't count it).
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You did see Rudy pointing out that Conley's lack of flow on the play was the cause for the 3 second violation, right?
 
sahlensguy said:
Well yeah

You did see Rudy pointing out that Conley's lack of flow on the play was the cause for the 3 second violation, right?
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Not really. Had Joe shoot the open 3, that would be it. He decided to do a small fake and go left for the drive. It was more on Joe/Rudy.
 
sahlensguy said:
So you didn't see Rudy pointing it out to Mike?
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No. You have video?. Was he expecting a lob pass?. Anyway, Conley passed the ball to the corner to Ingles, which is a pretty good shoot but Ingles doubted and Rudy froze. So perhaps Rudy was pointing that there was another option at the rim. Video would be appreciate it, but we will never know what they discussed.

Do you have additional observations on the other plays mentioned?
 
I'm not worried about one play with Rudy getting a 3-sec call. I'm worried that Conley can't get to the rim, doesn't get to the free-throw line, isn't shooting 3s very well and isn't scoring much from mid-range. When he was in Memphis he put pressure on the defense, and now for whatever reason, he doesn't.

Actually, Conley did get to the free-throw line tonight, so that's an improvement.
 
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