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silesian said:
free market capitalism created the moon launch, the interstate highway system, the internet, and other trivial things. All with no government help.
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The wealth necessary to create all the things you mention, was generated by capitalism (individuals engaging in voluntary free exchange), and subsequently seized by the government (taxes).

I'm not suggesting government can't build things, provide services, or redistribute wealth. A level of government is necessary, and can assist in allowing long-term capitalism to thrive (legal system, roads, environmental laws, etc.). However, everything it accomplishes can only happen through taking from productive members of society. Hence, government does not create wealth.

The stimulus money being distributed is not from the government, it's from taxpayers. The only way to pay for this are to increase our tax rates in the very near future, print money (a tax on savings), or increase the national debt (a tax on our children and grandchildren).
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
The wealth necessary to create all the things you mention, was generated by capitalism (individuals engaging in voluntary free exchange), and subsequently seized by the government (taxes).
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That wealth was generated is a system of regulation and government intervention, often on the sides of various businesses.

AlaskanAssassin said:
Hence, government does not create wealth.
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True, it is merely one essential ingredient. The only true means of generating wealth is exploitation.

AlaskanAssassin said:
The stimulus money being distributed is not from the government, it's from taxpayers. The only way to pay for this are to increase our tax rates in the very near future, print money (a tax on savings), or increase the national debt (a tax on our children and grandchildren).
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That's what taxes are for.
 
Stars Fan said:
I am very disappointed in the process that led us to Biden as our candidate. Warren, Klobuchar, Booker, Sanders and Yang were all better picks. My favorite was Warren, but 'you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had.' I'll support Biden as a means of ridding the nation of its greatest threat.
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Great post.

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Stars Fan said:
I am very disappointed in the process that led us to Biden as our candidate. Warren, Klobuchar, Booker, Sanders and Yang were all better picks. My favorite was Warren, but 'you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had.' I'll support Biden as a means of ridding the nation of its greatest threat.
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Biden sucks hard. But you know what also sucks? That everyone that was a better pick also sucks pretty bad, but just a little bit less. Unfathomable that they could not find one legit candidate in the last 4 years. So we are stuck with the same old pig slop BS tomfoolery. It's absurd.
 
Beer said:
Biden sucks hard. But you know what also sucks? That everyone that was a better pick also sucks pretty bad, but just a little bit less. Unfathomable that they could not find one legit candidate in the last 4 years. So we are stuck with the same old pig slop BS tomfoolery. It's absurd.
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Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris were all decent candidates.
 
One Brow said:
Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris were all decent candidates.
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I would have voted Sanders. Warren is a fake *** skeezy old bag, Harris is so freaking full of ****, Klobuchar seemed tolerable, Tulsi seemed ok, Pete seemed ok but has nowhere near enough experience imo. But if the best you can come up with in 4 years is ok and borderline dead old dudes then there are some serious issues.
 
One Brow said:
True, it is merely one essential ingredient. The only true means of generating wealth is exploitation.
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Wealth is created through voluntary exchanges, which over time allows for the growth of wealth through specialization, economies of scale, and comparative advantage. If you want to try and label that as "exploitation" than that's your call. However, as a consumer, you and I are just as much a part of that "exploitation" as everyone else. Your home, car, electronics, medical supplies, are all part of that system that allows us to live and prosper.

Please feel free to respond on an exploitation device of your choice.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Wealth is created through voluntary exchanges, which over time allows for the growth of wealth through specialization, economies of scale, and comparative advantage. If you want to try and label that as "exploitation" than that's your call. However, as a consumer, you and I are just as much a part of that "exploitation" as everyone else. Your home, car, electronics, medical supplies, are all part of that system that allows us to live and prosper.
Please feel free to respond on an exploitation device of your choice.
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I agree that exploitation is a fundamental part of the current system. I will vote where I can to change it.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Completely unrelated but Catan is putting out a 25th anniversary edition. Might not compare with your custom board but looks like it could be cool.
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I've never owned Catan, it's a little light for my tastes. I did buy the Titan remake, that was cool.

My avatar is actually the first one designed for Metro East Gamers by one of the founders. The idea was to represent all types of games (hence ther sword for roll-players and the d20 for miniature players).
 
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