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If so that’s solid reporting.
It can possibly be, but that is not what the discussion was. It was about paying him the super max.
If giving Rudy the max is the difference between keeping him and losing him, then you max him. This would be like spending four hours watching that paper float across from folder to folder while you were downloading an mp3 in the 90s on 56k, getting 90% there and then saying “nah, **** it, this is taking too long” and disconnecting.
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People act like we are incapable of adding good players. Just last summer, there were a number of great players rumored to have interest in Utah. Tobias Harris was a top level guy rumored. We signed Bojan and guys who had other league interest in Davis, Green, Mudiay. Conley was excited about coming here.
Losing Gobert for nothing in 2021 would be the biggest mistake. This cannot happen.
If we pay him around $40, I think it's a mistake. For $40 million, this coming summer could get you Joe Harris AND Montrez Harrell. Gobert is a better player, but these 2 could make us a better team. I don't want to lose Gobert, but we can't lpse him for nothing or pay him the supermax.
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Losing Gobert for nothing in 2021 would be the biggest mistake. This cannot happen.
If we pay him around $40, I think it's a mistake. For $40 million, this coming summer could get you Joe Harris AND Montrez Harrell. Gobert is a better player, but these 2 could make us a better team. I don't want to lose Gobert, but we can't lpse him for nothing or pay him the supermax.
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Conley was not excited about coming here. Most reports from all the way back to mid-season last year when the reports started were that he was reluctant to come to Utah. I think he's just a stand up guy so he said all the right things when the trade happened but I don't believe he wants to be here. I think that is actually at least a small part of our chemistry issues when he is in The game.
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If this organization let's things slide and loses Gobert for nothing in 2021 then I'll just be done with it. If they supermax gobert that's not far behind in terms of mistakes. But losing him for nothing would be a capital offense and I'd seriously consider leaving the fandom.
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I don't think he wanted to be here at that trade deadline, but I think he was good with it by summer. Memphis getting #2/Morant, Conley losing his minutes/role, and workouts with Donovan/others all made it seem like he was happy to come to a relevant team.
If I had to rate his happiness now, I would say it's back to indifferent. He probably isn't happy now for a number of reasons.
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I agree 100%. If we lose Gobert for nothing, I won't leave personally, but I could understand those who would.
Losing All Stars Hayward and Gobert in back to back fashion during their first unrestricted free agency summers would be catastrophic.
We got lucky to replace Hayward with Donovan to keep the boat afloat, but even if we strike draft gold again, it only keeps us afloat because we lose all upward momentum and assets that would have come via a trade.
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Supermaxing Rudy would be like when it finally finished downloading you lose all ability to add any data to your computer.
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No, because the 90% is still occupying space on your hard drive, just that it's the 90s and your mp3 player isn't going to play a file that's 90% complete. As someone mentioned earlier, we'll be operating over the cap regardless. Obviously there may be some downstream effects such as the total out of pocket the Millers are willing to spend, but without Rudy our ceiling is a perennial 6-ish seed.
And this is one thing I will say:
People like Kyrie didn't like living in LeBron's shadow and, to some extent, he recognized that perhaps he took his opportunities for granted. Donovan arrived here when it was still Rudy's team and though he's been the most prominent face to the franchise, he's still in some ways in Gobert's shadow where Donovan may not feel like this venture is purely his. Though there may be parts of him that wants to feel that his success has been independent and self-made, and like many different people in business that they want to "clear the deck," so to speak, when they move a business forward so they feel that it's purely "their ship," this may not prove to be beneficial for him in the long run. I believe Donovan has some humility and smartness underneath all this, but he's obviously been influenced by his rapid stardom. I think when he looks back on things, especially as legacies are built more on winning than about media appearances, instagram followers, and twitter likes, that eventually he's going to recognize, and wish, that he'd handled this situation a bit differently. I think him recognizing wasted opportunity is something that will become apparent to him in hindsight, and it may be something he looks upon with regret, especially if/when his legacy doesn't peak as high as he'd like and he realizes he had a better shot to go higher with Rudy.
People like Kyrie didn't like living in LeBron's shadow and, to some extent, he recognized that perhaps he took his opportunities for granted. Donovan arrived here when it was still Rudy's team and though he's been the most prominent face to the franchise, he's still in some ways in Gobert's shadow where Donovan may not feel like this venture is purely his. Though there may be parts of him that wants to feel that his success has been independent and self-made, and like many different people in business that they want to "clear the deck," so to speak, when they move a business forward so they feel that it's purely "their ship," this may not prove to be beneficial for him in the long run. I believe Donovan has some humility and smartness underneath all this, but he's obviously been influenced by his rapid stardom. I think when he looks back on things, especially as legacies are built more on winning than about media appearances, instagram followers, and twitter likes, that eventually he's going to recognize, and wish, that he'd handled this situation a bit differently. I think him recognizing wasted opportunity is something that will become apparent to him in hindsight, and it may be something he looks upon with regret, especially if/when his legacy doesn't peak as high as he'd like and he realizes he had a better shot to go higher with Rudy.
Wanting to win? Is that what you call all the pouting he did? Nah. Rudy wanted to force things he isn’t good at.
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To an extent sure, but I think a lot of the team has been annoyed with Rudy this season, this isn’t just Rudy v Donovan.