Coronavirus

[RandyForRubio]

Not exactly sure what re-opening looks like other than a willingness to expose those who make the least to the highest risk on the front lines, for the convenience of others.

Is making a living now considered an inconvenience?

I'll ask this. What are you, personally, waiting for? At what point is it "safe" enough?

 

[Beer]

Is making a living now considered an inconvenience?

I'll ask this. What are you, personally, waiting for? At what point is it "safe" enough?

That seems to be the question no one can answer, unless they cite something irrational like a cure or a vaccine. Both of which are obviously irrational.

 

[Scat]

Interesting statistics regarding Utah:

The data shows the vast majority of cases, just under 60%, have been transmitted through a person's own household. About 25% of cases were transmitted through a social interaction, 4.7% in the workplace and about 10.7% through unspecified means, the data shows.

Of the 134,543 people tested in Utah so far, 4.3% have tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46750506/utah-sees-129-new-cases-of-covid-19-3-new-deaths

 

[sahlensguy]

Is making a living now considered an inconvenience?

I'll ask this. What are you, personally, waiting for? At what point is it "safe" enough?

Most of the unemployed are making a living. $600 per week plus their weekly unemployment benefit. Many of these people will make less per week if they go back to work while taking on the health risk of a front line worker that they didn't have before. Bad deal for them. So who will benefit from a reopening? Not the front line employee...

 

[candrew]

Sweden just past three thousand deaths while doing nothing.

So adjusting for population that would put US deaths at a baseline of 90K.

You'd have to factor in some other stuff like US being the land of pre-existing conditions like diabetes, hypertension and obesity - all of which clearly exacerbate the underlying symptoms of COVID-19. Sweden is consistently rated as a top 5-10 country when it comes to overall heath while US is typically somewhere in the 30's. It's hard to put a number on that but let's call it another 10-12K.

So can we say the steps we've taken to mitigate the spread of the virus saved 25-27 thousands lives up to this point? Who knows. But food for thought.

 

[Political Jazz Fan]

 

[RandyForRubio]

Most of the unemployed are making a living. $600 per week plus their weekly unemployment benefit. Many of these people will make less per week if they go back to work while taking on the health risk of a front line worker that they didn't have before. Bad deal for them. So who will benefit from a reopening? Not the front line employee...

Well ****, we better just never go back to work in that case. What's the incentive?

How long can the government continue to pay 30 million + and counting unemployment? That's not sustainable. They'll just tax the piss out of the majority of middle class people to get the money back.

So I'll ask again. At what point is it "safe" enough to go back to work?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Sweden just past three thousand deaths while doing nothing.

So adjusting for population that would put US deaths at a baseline of 90K.

You'd have to factor in some other stuff like US being the land of pre-existing conditions like diabetes, hypertension and obesity - all of which clearly exacerbate the underlying symptoms of COVID-19. Sweden is consistently rated as a top 5-10 country when it comes to overall heath while US is typically somewhere in the 30's. It's hard to put a number on that but let's call it another 10-12K.

So can we say the steps we've taken to mitigate the spread of the virus saved 25-27 thousands lives up to this point? Who knows. But food for thought.

Sweden may see a sudden and swift decline in number of deaths since many have been exposed. We won't. We really, really, slowed it down, but eventually people will become exposed to it. That's just the reality.

So it'll probably be a couple years before we can study the results, but I wouldn't be surprised if the per capita deaths are similar between the two countries by the end of it.

 

[candrew]

Interesting statistics regarding Utah:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46750506/utah-sees-129-new-cases-of-covid-19-3-new-deaths

Meanwhile according to a report in the SF Gate, 90% of the folks who tested positive at one facility all had jobs where they couldn't work from home.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editors...-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-in-15247476.php

Of course you don't know the make-up of the populations that are going to these facilities so it's difficult to make any definitive determination - other than this virus is a son of a bitch.

 

[sahlensguy]

Well ****, we better just never go back to work in that case. What's the incentive?

How long can the government continue to pay 30 million + and counting unemployment? That's not sustainable. They'll just tax the piss out of the majority of middle class people to get the money back.

So I'll ask again. At what point is it "safe" enough to go back to work?

Starve the peasants long enough and they will go back to work for us right? Pandemic be damned.

 

[One Brow]

That seems to be the question no one can answer, unless they cite something irrational like a cure or a vaccine. Both of which are obviously irrational.

A few of us in here have mentioned a comprehensive system of testing and tracking. If a decision was made by Congress and POTUS to get this done, it could largely be done by August, and could mean a significant opening up of the restrictions. Then again, who has time to remember the rational responses.

 

[One Brow]

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So covid19 doubles your chance of dying? Insurance companies will love that.

 

[One Brow]

Sweden may see a sudden and swift decline in number of deaths since many have been exposed. We won't. We really, really, slowed it down, but eventually people will become exposed to it. That's just the reality.

So it'll probably be a couple years before we can study the results, but I wouldn't be surprised if the per capita deaths are similar between the two countries by the end of it.

There will be no end of it. Until we develop a vaccine, it's here to stay, just like the flu.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Starve the peasants long enough and they will go back to work for us right? Pandemic be damned.

Boy, you're gonna be able to build a nice sized house with all that straw you got there.

Let me know when you're interested in actually having a discussion. Until then, chin chin.

 

[RandyForRubio]

There will be no end of it. Until we develop a vaccine, it's here to stay, just like the flu.

If I understand correctly (and it's highly possible I don't), it doesn't mutate near as fast or often as the flu. So the possibility of building an immunity is higher than the flu. Have to hope for a situation where you get it once, and then you're done.

 

[Archie Moses]

She was given an opportunity to repent and avoid the jail sentence. Being able to apologise goes a long way in life. Humility is not a bad thing. Even in Texas.

Yeah, the Texas judge needs to be humbled. He sent her to jail because she wouldn't say sorry because she didn't think providing for her kids was selfish.

It was a dick move. Oh, boo hoo. Did the mom not apologize? Then throw her in jail.

So outdated.

 

[Archie Moses]

If she had paid for unemployment insurance for herself, wouldn't her kids be able to eat off of that? If she has no income, Texas still has food stamps. Her kids will eat.

Why not educate her, help her and show her she can get by with those programs instead of throwing her in jail?


Seems pretty simple. I'm sure her week behind bars will rehab her unwillingness to apologize. Lol

 

[sahlensguy]

Boy, you're gonna be able to build a nice sized house with all that straw you got there.

Let me know when you're interested in actually having a discussion. Until then, chin chin.

Well I initially did ask you a direct question which you didn't answer. It takes two to tango, so I guess I shouldn't expect much. ..

 

[JimLes]

Yeah, the Texas judge needs to be humbled. He sent her to jail because she wouldn't say sorry because she didn't think providing for her kids was selfish.

It was a dick move. Oh, boo hoo. Did the mom not apologize? Then throw her in jail.

So outdated.

The dick move was keeping your hair salon opened while other people are being good citizens and following the law and suffering just like you would've.

 

[The Thriller]

The dick move was keeping your hair salon opened while other people are being good citizens and following the law and suffering just like you would've.

Wasnt she breaking the law? Whatever happened to law and order? If she didn’t want to be known as a criminal then she shouldn’t have broken the law.

People aren’t given immunity from law breaking because they’re business owners or friendly to the president’s political party.

One of the keys to our Democratic Republic is following the law and applying the law equally. Seems like some people don’t believe the law applies to them. Unfortunately, with Barr killing Flynn’s prosecution today, this is becoming a forgotten concept in our country.