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I did miss the part about "white supremecists" which might be true, although a bunch of **** went down in portland at a climate change march due to antifa a little bit ago.

Your absolutely right on that score. I am assuming that you are referring to the Sep 2019 protest. Of course, it was described differently by different people.

For example, journalist and pro-fascist Andy Ngo certainly made the protests seem very violent:
https://www.newsweek.com/violence-p...uts-law-abiding-citizens-risk-opinion-1461124

Left-wing WillametteWeek put the violence at the feet of the police:
https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2...aws-condemnation-from-portland-civic-leaders/

Less partisan journalists had both sides seem less extreme:
https://www.koin.com/news/environment/students-plan-to-walk-out-for-global-climate-strike/

"Overall, the demonstration was peaceful, however PPB notes that they made three arrests during the march, out of the several thousand individuals in attendance."
 
Yes. If change doesn't happen right away you continue to push for it in ways that make bridges, not enemies. The most successful social movements over the past 200 years are based on legal and non-violent approaches (think gay or women's rights).

While you are correct that this is hard and takes time, you are wrong if you think there was not plenty of violence used against, and sometimes for, people fighting for gay or women's rights.
 
I’ve covered the law enforcement angle in other threads and agree. But there will still be cop on black homicides. There just will.

Of course there will. But how many painfully obvious cop on black male murder have gone unpunished? A vast majority of them. Seeing them punished would certainly alleviate some of the hurt and would hopefully make other cops think twice before doing something dumb.
 
What is even going on there? Looks like two white kids and one black...but what are they doing? Looks like they may have been holding cans of spray paint? But I didn’t see them spray anything.

It looked like the black guy took the spray can off the white guy to prevent vandalism.
 
Of course there will. But how many painfully obvious cop on black male murder have gone unpunished? A vast majority of them. Seeing them punished would certainly alleviate some of the hurt and would hopefully make other cops think twice before doing something dumb.

I totally agree. Like I said, I’ve gone over this earlier. But other than this, is there anything else that can be done? IMO, affordable housing is a major issue. The prices to even rent are ****ing absurd.
 
Not sure what the angle here is, but Antifa aren't peaceful at all. They're instigating panic, fear and chaos. They're also largely young, white males who apparently have nothing better to do.

The media wouldn't play. What made you think the guy being stopped was antifa?
 
I really wish that guy had apprehended the two *******, called the cops and waited for them to arrive.
 
It wouldn't be the first time mainstream media mess up a graphic.

Not messing up. Purposefully using movie footage to sensationalize and hyperbolize what is taking place in Philly. At least I think that’s Philly.
 
Not messing up. Purposefully using movie footage to sensationalize and hyperbolize what is taking place in Philly. At least I think that’s Philly.

Your assuming the person that put the graphic together deliberately pulled it from the movie, as opposed to some untrustworthy Facebook post/tweet/etc. I do agree they were likely looking for the most sensationalized photo they could find.
 
The media wouldn't play. What made you think the guy being stopped was antifa?

He may not be Antifa, but when you're wearing all-black and fit their profile, assumptions will be made. Antifa has had many instances the past four years of so of breaking windows, throwing molotovs, graffiti, etc. They're provocateurs in all this along with many others.
 
Your assuming the person that put the graphic together deliberately pulled it from the movie, as opposed to some untrustworthy Facebook post/tweet/etc. I do agree they were likely looking for the most sensationalized photo they could find.

It's a fake. The actual newscast doesn't exist anywhere because it was made up.
 
Not sure what the angle here is, but Antifa aren't peaceful at all. They're instigating panic, fear and chaos. They're also largely young, white males who apparently have nothing better to do.


Just because Benny Johnson of all people says that guy identified with antifa doesn't make it so.

Also there seems to be a lot of confusion about what antifa is, and what it means to be part of that movement.

First off there's no "organization" to antifa, there are hundreds of individual groups that employ their tactics to varying degrees and employ direct action under that banner. That said, probably the most defining characteristic of the movement is that they are willing to employ violent tactics to oppose fascism, think punching Nazis in the face for example, although many chapters only condone such violence in self defense.

Another thing to keep in mind is that anarchy isn't the driving force behind the movement, they are two separate things with some cross pollination.

One thing that the last few days have made me think about is how different these protests and riots are from "race riots" we've seen in the past. The groups of people we're seeing are a lot more diverse than they used to be. While I think most of the people out there are protesting injustice at the hands of police towards minorities, I think in many ways it's becoming a movement against police violence as a whole, and the police state the US has become.

The escalation in use of force by police, not just against protestors, but even the press and standers-by, is helping to move things in this direction as well imo.
 
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You don’t know **** about my position on things. So, your characterization of me is just one in a long list of things you’re leaping erroneously at. **** off, frat boy.
Lol.

You literally bring nothing to the discussion. You still can't even tell me what you have a problem with, Mr Vague.
 
Your assuming the person that put the graphic together deliberately pulled it from the movie, as opposed to some untrustworthy Facebook post/tweet/etc. I do agree they were likely looking for the most sensationalized photo they could find.

Well if this was footage that MSNBC aired, which it seems to be based on 30 seconds of research, then it was purposeful. There’s really no way around that. They chose not to air actual footage of Philly and someone went through their Philly apocalyptic films Rolodex to see what would look both best for ratings. 12 Monkeys? Nope. Too many scenes with animals. World War Z? Perfect.
 
Just because Benny Johnson of all people says that guy identified with antifa doesn't make it so.

Also there seems to be a lot of confusion about what antifa is, and what it means to be part of that movement.

First off there's no "organization" to antifa, there are hundreds of individual groups that employ their tactics to varying degrees and employ direct action under that banner. That said, probably the most defining characteristic of the movement is that they are willing to employ violent tactics to oppose fascism, think punching Nazis in the face for example, although many chapters only condone such violence in self defense.

Another thing to keep in mind is that anarchy isn't the driving force behind the movement, they are two separate things with some cross pollination.

One thing that the last few days have made me think about is how different these protests and riots are from "race riots" we've seen in the past. The groups of people we're seeing are a lot more diverse than what we've seen in the past. While I think most of the people out there are protesting injustice at the hands of police towards minorities, I think in many ways it's becoming a movement against police violence as a whole, and the police state the US has become.

The escalation in use of force by police, not just against protestors, but even the press and standers-by, is helping to move things in this direction as well imo.

I don't know who Benny is, was just finding a tweet with the video in it, but the point that I'm trying to make is that Antifa isn't a saintly group by any means. There's no doubt different flavors within that group, some more diplomatic than the next.

As for your latter point, totally agree that people are acting out against a police state vs. racism. I think this has morphed into what we're seeing now as the match was lit.
 
For example, journalist and pro-fascist Andy Ngo certainly made the protests seem very violent:
https://www.newsweek.com/violence-p...uts-law-abiding-citizens-risk-opinion-1461124

Remember that one time that guy got his head beat so hard his brain hemorrhaged and you pretty much condoned the antifa and condemned him?

OPINION
The Violence at Portland's Climate March Shows How Antifa Puts Law-Abiding Citizens at Risk | Opinion
ANDY NGO
ON 9/24/19 AT 4:41 PM EDT
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The rallies to draw attention to climate change were largely peaceful. Washington DC rally, September 23, 2019MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY
OPINIONCLIMATE CHANGEANTIFA
Portland, Ore., has gained a reputation in recent years for political violence. Since the election of Donald Trump, far-left activists have continually taken to the streets to rage. Some of them, belonging to a movement called "antifa," rage by destroying property, attacking citizens (including me) and shutting down the streets. The political monoculture of the city and its government have allowed this to go on for years with little local opposition.

Antifa call themselves "anti-fascist" and say their mandate is to physically confront (i.e. fight) the far-right. In reality, they more often take to the streets to protest a hodgepodge of issues in a cyclic manner: against Trump, for Black Lives Matter, against racism, for open borders, etc. Now, the most recent addition appears to be the climate.

On Friday, thousands of Portlanders—mostly children who ditched class—participated in the "climate strike," a global event led by Swedish teen activist Greta Thunberg. From Melbourne to New York, millions of young people demanded government action on climate change. Despite their apocalyptic language, the protests were colorful, lively and peaceful—except in Portland, where multiple people were arrested for criminal and violent behavior. Why?

Here, a large group of masked militants belonging to the Youth Liberation Front, a "youth" wing of antifa, commandeered part of the march. Their black uniforms overshadowed the brighter signs carried by the young children. Earlier chants about the climate were now replaced with slurs against police. At one point, a masked protester threw water while another pepper sprayed a man. Police also arrested Jacob Jepson, a 32-year-old far-left agitator with a large antifa tattoo on his neck. Jepson resisted arrest and was subdued only after being taken down and pepper sprayed. A female police officer was injured in the process. Jepson was found carrying a cache of weapons, which included a polymer dagger, spiked brass knuckles, a spring-loaded knife, pepper spray and other weapons. The hammer he had was wrapped with a plastic bag and tape—tricks used by criminals to remove one's fingerprints and a victim's DNA.

Even when antifa militants weren't directly involved in violence, their propaganda network used events at the "climate strike" to spread disinformation about police. In a viral video on Twitter that has received close to a million views, a user said "Portland police [were] shoving their way through a group of peaceful young protesters to get to the only black teens in sight." In reality, one of the young people, who happened to be black, had earlier climbed onto a bridge support and was leaning into vehicular traffic, endangering both himself and drivers who had to slam on their brakes. He defied police commands to get down. When they caught up to him later, another youth tried to prevent the arrest. This is what was captured on video and was used to falsely implicate Portland police as racial profilers.

If antifa activists don't think it's dangerous to shut down traffic, they should be reminded of what happened to one of their "comrades" in 2017 on another bridge in Portland. During a counter-protest against a religious right-wing march, a masked antifa protester was severely injured by a truck that failed to stop in time when he suddenly dashed across the bridge.

After the "climate strike" march wrapped up in the afternoon, the group of antifa militants descended on the local Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility, where they hurled projectiles at federal law enforcement. This is the same facility that was shut down by far-left activists last year in a five-week siege. By chance, I witnessed part of the violence. As I was leaving the local hospital for treatment related to the subarachnoid hemorrhage sustained after antifa militants beat and robbed me in June—of which there have still been no arrests—police gave chase to a large number of masked agitators. The rioters took off in multiple directions toward the hospital after police responded to rocks being thrown in their direction. One of the police vehicles had large cracks all over its windshield.

During the chase, a masked man was taken to the ground and arrested. Most of his comrades abandoned him. A second masked individual was confronted by police who aimed a gun at him and demanded he step away after he attempted to pick up ammunition from the ground. A couple youths confronted the police. "F— you, pig," shouted a young white male to a black police officer. "DHS, you f—king gestapo piece of s—. All of you [are] class traitor scumbags." Later in the afternoon, the Youth Liberation Front put out a call on Twitter requesting vegan food donations for those who were arrested.


Sometimes I'm asked if it's safe to visit Portland. Of course it is. The violence is isolated and contained to certain pockets of the city for specific events. The rioting—or "civil disturbances," as law enforcement refers to such occurrences—are routine and predictable. And yet, my experience on Friday outside of the hospital has given me pause on my assessment of Portland's "antifa problem."

What part of his article do you have a problem with or disagree with?
 
Well if this was footage that MSNBC aired, which it seems to be based on 30 seconds of research, then it was purposeful. There’s really no way around that. They chose not to air actual footage of Philly and someone went through their Philly apocalyptic films Rolodex to see what would look both best for ratings. 12 Monkeys? Nope. Too many scenes with animals. World War Z? Perfect.
Wait, so that's real? Those ****ers really used that?

Gawd damn it. Lol
 
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