Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Deleted member 365]

So instead of calling the cops and having the situation escalate to an execution... why don’t we reform the police? That way, Wendy’s could’ve called a number and requested a peace officer/de-escalation officer. That officer could’ve checked on him, asked him if he needed medical attention, and gotten him an uber. Situation resolved.

Just because we’ve always done policing in a particular (violent) way, doesn’t mean we always should. Time to reimagine law enforcement, bring it into the 21st century.

Side note: just saw the video. ridiculous that They shot him over that. Where’s he going to go? You have his car. You probably have his wallet and cellphone. You have his bag of food (so he’s obviously hungry). What’s he going to do? Time to stop worshipping this profession of cavemen and time for some innovation!
No wonder why stuff is burning. Years of frustration is finally boiling over.

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[Beer]

Remember Occupy Wall Street? Yeah man, this is a statement. It’s not sustainable.


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I honestly don't know what you are saying? Yes, I remember OWS. That was nowhere near the same militant level as what is going in in Seattle.

 

[LogGrad98]

He pointed the taser, which he had ripped out of the cop’s hand. The police chief resigned. A taser is not usually fatal, and I believe the cop was outside its range anyway. He had fallen asleep in the drive through lane at the Wendy’s...

Imo fighting off police, taking a weapon from them, running around with it out among both police and the general public, aiming said weapon (dgaf what it is unless it's a water gun), and firing it warrants use of lethal force to contain the assailant. Ok so let's say the cop, in the heat of the moment after a guy took a weapon from him, was fully clear headed enough to think "hey it's just my taser, we need to wait this out", then the guy, obviously excited and worked up after fighting with the police, turns on someone leaving the Wendy's or getting in their car or whatever and shoots then with a taser. People have died from tasers, they are anything but pleasant and peaceful. So this person they shot dies or otherwise suffers grave injuries (falls down, hits their head, breaks an arm, whatever). Then the cops are maligned for not taking swift enough action. Imo this situation warrants swift and decisive action to protect the general public.

I know the next argument is they should have never had the guy on the ground in the first place. I have read about 4 accounts of this, 3 of which noted that the guy was intoxicated and not following instructions and immediately started fighting when they tried to take him into custody. It's not some dad with his 2 kids randomly falling sleep in a drive through.

To me this is the problem we will have for a while. Damned if they to, damned if they don't. Higher risk to the general public. Cops second guessing themselves and their training causing even more risk. Yes we need change. Burning down a private business to protest cops taking reasonable action won't do it. It will just turn the voting public against the whole thing. That exactly the kind of rallying cry trumpers need and want.

This situation at the Wendy's is a cluster **** of epic proportions.

And it's going to get worse, imo.

 

[Beer]

Imo fighting off police, taking a weapon from them, running around with it out among both police and the general public, aiming said weapon (dgaf what it is unless it's a water gun), and firing it warrants use of lethal force to contain the assailant. Ok so let's say the cop, in the heat of the moment after a guy took a weapon from him, was fully clear headed enough to think "hey it's just my taser, we need to wait this out", then the guy, obviously excited and worked up after fighting with the police, turns on someone leaving the Wendy's or getting in their car or whatever and shoots then with a taser. People have died from tasers, they are anything but pleasant and peaceful. So this person they shot dies or otherwise suffers grave injuries (falls down, hits their head, breaks an arm, whatever). Then the cops are maligned for not taking swift enough action. Imo this situation warrants swift and decisive action to protect the general public.

I know the next argument is they should have never had the guy on the ground in the first place. I have read about 4 accounts of this, 3 of which noted that the guy was intoxicated and not following instructions and immediately started fighting when they tried to take him into custody. It's not some dad with his 2 kids randomly falling sleep in a drive through.

To me this is the problem we will have for a while. Damned if they to, damned if they don't. Higher risk to the general public. Cops second guessing themselves and their training causing even more risk. Yes we need change. Burning down a private business to protest cops taking reasonable action won't do it. It will just turn the voting public against the whole thing. That exactly the kind of rallying cry trumpers need and want.

This situation at the Wendy's is a cluster **** of epic proportions.

And it's going to get worse, imo.

Yeah, seemed like things were going pretty well until the guy went AWOL, stole a taser, and tried to start a fight. I hate hate hate hate cops killing obviously unarmed people, but if you are going to be so impossibly stupid I think you've got a it coming. It's almost like cops won't be in the right unless they get shot first, which is total bull ****.

 

[Miggs]

Can we stop vicitmizing everyone? The lesson here is don’t grab a ****ing law enforcement officer’s taser and fire it at him. Sorry but that’s ****ing dumb. I’m sure he was a great kid though and was just about to turn his life around.

 

[Eminence]

Imo fighting off police, taking a weapon from them, running around with it out among both police and the general public, aiming said weapon (dgaf what it is unless it's a water gun), and firing it warrants use of lethal force to contain the assailant. Ok so let's say the cop, in the heat of the moment after a guy took a weapon from him, was fully clear headed enough to think "hey it's just my taser, we need to wait this out", then the guy, obviously excited and worked up after fighting with the police, turns on someone leaving the Wendy's or getting in their car or whatever and shoots then with a taser. People have died from tasers, they are anything but pleasant and peaceful. So this person they shot dies or otherwise suffers grave injuries (falls down, hits their head, breaks an arm, whatever). Then the cops are maligned for not taking swift enough action. Imo this situation warrants swift and decisive action to protect the general public.

I know the next argument is they should have never had the guy on the ground in the first place. I have read about 4 accounts of this, 3 of which noted that the guy was intoxicated and not following instructions and immediately started fighting when they tried to take him into custody. It's not some dad with his 2 kids randomly falling sleep in a drive through.

To me this is the problem we will have for a while. Damned if they to, damned if they don't. Higher risk to the general public. Cops second guessing themselves and their training causing even more risk. Yes we need change. Burning down a private business to protest cops taking reasonable action won't do it. It will just turn the voting public against the whole thing. That exactly the kind of rallying cry trumpers need and want.

This situation at the Wendy's is a cluster **** of epic proportions.

And it's going to get worse, imo.

To note, once a Taser has been fired like that it's not really armed any more, there was certainly no immediate threat of him using it on anyone else.

 

[One Brow]

I think its a lot more nuanced than that. But sure, yeah in general that is true.

You'll never see me disagree with a claim that there is always nuance.

 

[Archie Moses]

I just want to point out that @The Thriller said possible the dumbest thing in this thread and I've actually seen this on other news sites pushing the same dumb rhetoric. I assume he's just echoing and regurgitating this **** without thinking it over. So what is it I'm referencing then?

So instead of calling the cops and having the situation escalate to an execution... why don’t we reform the police? That way, Wendy’s could’ve called a number and requested a peace officer/de-escalation officer. That officer could’ve checked on him, asked him if he needed medical attention, and gotten him an uber. Situation resolved.

Dear, mother Mary of Jesus, this beyond stupid to say.

Look, I'm all for having police reforms and better training aimed at de-escalating situations and confrontations. 100%. I don't think this guy needed to be killed over his dumb behavior, too. Although he did one of the most unreasonable and unthinkable things you could do as a human. Who steals a police taser gun from the police and then tries to shoot it at them on the dead run? An intoxicated or excessively impaired person is who - or mentally ill.

The part I have a problem with is you brushing under the fact that this guy was drunk/impaired and behind the wheel. I'm not sure if you've ever drank or drank enough to where you pass out? I'm 99% sure this guy was not taking a gawd damn nap in his car and passed out - luckily he was in park. I imagine it started out a lot like the Darren McFadden DUI video.


The fact that you think someone drunk driving should be given medical attention (I'm all for giving medical attention but to recommend this and nothing about being arrested is clown town) and then an Uber ride home is so ****ing bizarre and short sighted to me. Like, that's your solution to drunk driving when someone is passed out at the wheel because they thought it was a good idea to get Wendy's? You don't think he needed to be arrested? The guy was so blasted he passed out behind the wheel. Do you know how dangerous this is? What. the. actual. ****?!?! You can't be serious, are you?

I feel like I'm in La La Land seeing you and some media suggest he should have been called an Uber. I saw another article where it was blasting, shaming and blaming the Wendy's employee for calling the police like they did something wrong. Smh.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why did they burn down the Wendy's?

I'm just reading about all of this. Crazy.

The wendy's is where the dude got killed I believe

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[Red]

People have died from tasers, they are anything but pleasant and peaceful.

Yes, I am aware of that, the reason I said they are usually not fatal, and did not say they are never fatal. Just wanted to clarify that point. It also did look like he discharged the taser once, before continuing to run away....

Edit: as someone pointed out last night, once the individual discharged that taser, the cop must have understood, though easily forgettable in the moment, that that taser could not be fired again, without being reloaded. The cops also had the individual’s car, which would allow them to know where he lived, unless the car was stolen, as far as I know not the case.

I do understand the remainder of your points, but think the individual did not have to be shot. I don’t see any reason to presume that individual was then going to go on a taser spree against innocent people at that point. He could not reload that taser on the run, and they knew he was not otherwise armed. They could have simply continued the chase. Of course, I was not there, in the moment, so it will always be easier for me to say that in hindsight. That said, that man did not have to be killed. One of the commentators last night, ex police commissioner of NY I think, explained the 3 conditions that must be met to justify lethal force, and he was of the opinion those conditions did not apply, based on the 2 videos he had seen. Sorry, off the top, I can’t recall those 3 conditions.

 

[fishonjazz]

To note, once a Taser has been fired like that it's not really armed any more, there was certainly no immediate threat of him using it on anyone else.

From what I saw one cop fired his taser and the taser the victim had was one he grabbed from a different cop that had not been fired.

Either way, I personally think this one was more justified than most.

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