Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Red]

My question is, while we both worry about Trump and dislike him in office, do you worry about the radical left as well as the right? I worry about both and they both make me sad.

A recent look at American extremism across the political spectrum, and projections through 2020 and beyond:

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen in the next year, particularly around the 2020 presidential election. The most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists could also pose a threat.

www.csis.org

First, right-wing terrorism refers to the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities whose goals may include racial or ethnic supremacy; opposition to government authority; anger at women, including from the incel (“involuntary celibate”) movement; and outrage against certain policies, such as abortion.6 This analysis uses the term “right-wing terrorism” rather than “racially- and ethnically-motivated violent extremism,” or REMVE, which is used by some in the U.S. government.7 Second, left-wing terrorism involves the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities that oppose capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism; pursue environmental or animal rights issues; espouse pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support a decentralized social and political system such as anarchism.

 

[Red]

My question is, while we both worry about Trump and dislike him in office, do you worry about the radical left as well as the right? I worry about both and they both make me sad.

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

 

[fishonjazz]

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Anyway. I don't believe that's what the right wants. They want success to be based on merit and concept of hard work. However, only certain people get to choose what merit and success is and actively ignore or deny that certain people start 50m ahead in a 100m race and then want to celebrate the "winners."

Good response.
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[One Brow]

... @One Brow wanna continue to call me far right ...

I don't think you're far right, but you are on the right side of the spectrum. I do recognize gradations exist.

 

[Archie Moses]

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

Maybe the arrest don't seem to support that because we're reading and seeing different things?

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't think you're far right, but you are on the right side of the spectrum. I do recognize gradations exist.

I do have conservative/right views. 100%. Just like I have liberal views. 100%

It's frustrating to me because that doesn't define who I am and I'd like to think I'm malleable and capable of learning/progressing.

While I'm at it...

The ideology behind defining/shaming/blaming people's past is a mob mentality and not helpful imo. It's my whole point in the James Gunn thread. You called me a victim blamer and brought up a thread from 10 years ago. Although I didn't have an outrageous opinion I think differently today because I've grown.

Honest questions, dude. Are people defined by their past? Should their past define them? And lastly, if people change/grow/evolve should we judge their character today by their past?

 

[Archie Moses]

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

@Red I just wanna say you're a better man than me and your posts are enlightening and not condescending.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm equally sure that if a right-wing protestor shot a guy running over other right-wing protestors, you'd support that shooter then.

@One Brow you don't think I'm "far right" and yet make offensive, silly and wrong assumptions as if I'm far right.

Does bullying tactics like this make you feel good? Like you're superior and morally superior?

 

[Red]

Maybe the arrest don't seem to support that because we're reading and seeing different things?

Yeah, maybe reading different things. I’ve posted articles in which various police departments disputed the Antifa connection regarding arrests, but I’m not up for searching for them now. I would guess this thread, but I’m not certain.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yeah, maybe reading different things. I’ve posted articles in which various police departments disputed the Antifa connection regarding arrests, but I’m not up for searching for them now. I would guess this thread, but I’m not certain.

How dare you be so reasonable. Haha


You're the man, Red.

 

[Red]

@Red I just wanna say you're a better man than me and your posts are enlightening and not condescending.

I would never say I’m a better man than you. I also have noticed we share some of the same interests, such as ufology, visiting petroglyph sites in Utah, probably other stuff. And you’re a good man, I have no reason to think otherwise. I’m just leary of focusing on Antifa in the recent protest movement. In general, I wish there were more emphasis on the goals advocated by the overwhelmingly peaceful protests in the United States, as well as the inspiring sight of seeing movements for racial and social justice appearing around the world in direct response to what is happening here. That is heartening to me. Historical movements can take a very long time to play out, or to illuminate what they were actually all about. That is not always easy to perceive in the early stages. We are one species, inhabiting one fragile planet. I do believe one day we will all of us realize that, and the world will be a far better place. I don’t think it will be in my lifetime, and I suspect we have not even begun to see the pain involved in arriving in that better place. But, I believe we are spiritual beings on a human journey, which is how near death survivor Dannion Brinkley once put it, and I have many good reasons to embrace that concept. There is a purpose to our existence, and I will not let unenlightened people dissuade me from that belief. Has not stopped me from pointing out right wing extremism though, so maybe I’m more of a hypocrite than I care to admit.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Good response.
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