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Game Thread Jul 30, 2020: Utah Jazz vs New Orleans Pelicans

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They really shouldn't be playing the national anthem before the game. Makes no sense.
Agreed.
People will say "I don't want politics mixed in with my sports" and I answer "I agree, they should stop playing the national anthem at sporting events.". Then that same person "that's disrespectful. The anthem should always be played before sporting events"
Uh.... Ok.

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I wish they would stop playing the national Anthem at sporting events. I see no problem with exercising their right to protest. Many of the people claiming that it is disrespectful probably do not know the words to the national anthem, are drinking beer or talking with friends when it is playing, The American flag has been commercialized and politicized as some symbolic test of a persons patriotism. It is not a requirement of citizenship nor are you more American if you worship it.

In reality it has different meaning for different folks so love it all you want because whether you stand or bow you are still an American. I do find it funny how the loudest complainers about the 'disrespect" are people who wave the Confederate flag and do not trend on me flag thinking they are respecting the country. forgetting those two flags are about leaving the US and over-throwing a federal government if they dare tell them what to do. Irony is lost on that group.
 
I am worried about this game! New Orleans is a tough win. They have given us all we can handle and some. We barely won one game and then lost another close game. The Pelicans are certainly a team of the future with all that young talent and a boat load of first round draft picks. This game is a toss up and I would not be surprised if we lost. A matter of fact the Jazz have a very tough eight games. I am hoping for 5-3 record.
 
I wish they would stop playing the national Anthem at sporting events. I see no problem with exercising their right to protest. Many of the people claiming that it is disrespectful probably do not know the words to the national anthem, are drinking beer or talking with friends when it is playing, The American flag has been commercialized and politicized as some symbolic test of a persons patriotism. It is not a requirement of citizenship nor are you more American if you worship it.

In reality it has different meaning for different folks so love it all you want because whether you stand or bow you are still an American. I do find it funny how the loudest complainers about the 'disrespect" are people who wave the Confederate flag and do not trend on me flag thinking they are respecting the country. forgetting those two flags are about leaving the US and over-throwing a federal government if they dare tell them what to do. Irony is lost on that group.
The military pays them to play it.
 
Exactly what stuff was around Kaepernick at the time that should cause people to fight against a peaceful protest and distort the message of why he did it?

I get it, when I first saw highlights of that preseason game and the beginning of that highlight showed him sitting, my first thoughts were negative, but when they showedhis response to questions after the highlights, those negative feelings went away like that.
He seemed to be taking orders from his girlfriend (rumors of coverting to Islam) and she had some pro communism anti-government stuff. I didn't feel he was clear what he was protesting... he was also being benched... none of that was wrong at all... I just wasn't sure exactly what he was protesting and what the motivations were behind it.

He just was kind of a weird messenger imo... raised by a well off white family. I just thought there were likely guys that had experienced racism to a greater degree. I honestly did not understand system racism or how prevalent racism still was.

To be honest it was a "me" problem... but that was kind of how I got there. He was right... he stuck to his guns. I didn't understand or take the time to understand.
 
I was one that didn't like it early either... it was more about the messenger (there was a lot of stuff around Colin at the time) and it wasn't super clear what he was trying to convey. I get it know and it isn't about disrespecting the flag or the country. Kaep deserves a lot of credit for shining a light on it early and I was definitely wrong for judging his motivations/experience.

I'm still incredibly naïve, but like to think I've made a lot of progress towards understanding these types of issues. Trying to evolve and get better.
I see and admire your evolution on these and other topics, m’friend.
 
Finally excited for this team again. I hope this monumental event in modern human history was enough to re-center the egos on the team and we can get back to seeing the team be what makes us really love them.

I also am bracing for the ignorant Utahans that are gonna be peak butthurt that our team cares about black people.
 
He seemed to be taking orders from his girlfriend (rumors of coverting to Islam)
A big part of him doing what he did was due to conversations he had with actual cops and their experiences with dirty cops. He even said he wanted to give a voice to those that didn’t have a voice.
I didn't feel he was clear what he was protesting... he was also being benched... none of that was wrong at all...
I feel he was very clear why he was protesting in answering questions from reporters after that first game he sat.
To be honest it was a "me" problem... but that was kind of how I got there. He was right... he stuck to his guns. I didn't understand or take the time to understand.
I just remembered watching highlights and ESPN showing him sit. I was upset. Then heard why, and felt a sense of pride. It seemed like a worthwhile reason to do what he did. To further that a young man in the military felt he dishonored the flag by sitting and asked him to kneel, the people questioning his reasons for protest should look at this fact. He listened to the service man and followed his instructions. Those are the actions of a man who is sincere about what he is doing.

I appreciate you sharinghow you got to where you are at today
 
A big part of him doing what he did was due to conversations he had with actual cops and their experiences with dirty cops. He even said he wanted to give a voice to those that didn’t have a voice.

I feel he was very clear why he was protesting in answering questions from reporters after that first game he sat.

I just remembered watching highlights and ESPN showing him sit. I was upset. Then heard why, and felt a sense of pride. It seemed like a worthwhile reason to do what he did. To further that a young man in the military felt he dishonored the flag by sitting and asked him to kneel, the people questioning his reasons for protest should look at this fact. He listened to the service man and followed his instructions. Those are the actions of a man who is sincere about what he is doing.

I appreciate you sharinghow you got to where you are at today
I definitely wouldn’t question sincerity now but the stuff I mentioned earlier and the pig socks and Castro shirt... at the time I kinda felt like maybe it was like when Kyrie was talking about flat earth.

I was wrong and it sucks that there are likely a ton of people like me that didn’t pay attention to what was going on because we didn’t take the time to listen or research for ourselves. Then we see it on video and start listening to the stories and realize how ****** and bad it is. I figured I treat everyone equally so most people did too...

The other side of things has some points... our country has some ****** stuff but there are some very good things and as we can see it can get much worse. Hopefully we can get better.
 
I was wrong and it sucks that there are likely a ton of people like me that didn’t pay attention to what was going on because we didn’t take the time to listen or research for ourselves.
I think most of us are guilty of this. I know I was. Kap doing what he did made me look at these things and opened up my eyes. The measure of a man is what they do with knowledge they receive.
 
Anyone here who has an IG, Twitter, or Facebook, be sure to drop supportive comments on all those on the Jazz and guys social medias. It's important to show support to them!
I put this thread out there as well:
 
Anyone here who has an IG, Twitter, or Facebook, be sure to drop supportive comments on all those on the Jazz and guys social medias. It's important to show support to them!
I put this thread out there as well:
Man, the jazz Facebook page is the worst. So many people pissed off about the jazz players predicted kneeling.

One good thing about all this protest is that people are actually excited to watch the freaking anthem to see what's going to happen lol.

Nobody cared about it before. No one watched the anthem at home and the people at the games would robotically stand. Now it's getting tons of attention!

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Man, the jazz Facebook page is the worst. So many people pissed off about the jazz players predicted kneeling.

One good thing about all this protest is that people are actually excited to watch the freaking anthem to see what's going to happen lol.

Nobody cared about it before. No one watched the anthem at home and the people at the games would robotically stand. Now it's getting tons of attention!

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Yep, they didn't care at all about the anthem before lol. But yeah, leaving positive comments on socials is important. The vocal idiots unfortunately will always be there and drowning them out is important. People are weird and its the most casual of idiots thats go saying stupid stuff. Many are probably not even fans just simply people who have seen news reports about it and go comment. Just like Trump pages, they always find there way to any negative posts about him and flood the comments with garbage. Facebook in general is the worst, garbage all over the comment sections across there.
 
I was one that didn't like it early either... it was more about the messenger (there was a lot of stuff around Colin at the time) and it wasn't super clear what he was trying to convey. I get it know and it isn't about disrespecting the flag or the country. Kaep deserves a lot of credit for shining a light on it early and I was definitely wrong for judging his motivations/experience.

I'm still incredibly naïve, but like to think I've made a lot of progress towards understanding these types of issues. Trying to evolve and get better.

Kap deserves nothing. He only started this nonsense when he lost his starting gig to Blaine Gabbert and his BLM girlfriend started getting in his ear.

Also, why do this during the anthem at all? Why not before that during pregame or even post game take a knee in solidarity and just leave the anthem out of it? Would probably be a lot more accepted and the message that is trying to be conveyed wouldn't be lost in controversy.
 
Kap deserves nothing. He only started this nonsense when he lost his starting gig to Blaine Gabbert and his BLM girlfriend started getting in his ear.

Also, why do this during the anthem at all? Why not before that during pregame or even post game take a knee in solidarity and just leave the anthem out of it? Would probably be a lot more accepted and the message that is trying to be conveyed wouldn't be lost in controversy.
Or do the anthem prior to the players taking the court.

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Kap deserves nothing. He only started this nonsense when he lost his starting gig to Blaine Gabbert and his BLM girlfriend started getting in his ear.

Also, why do this during the anthem at all? Why not before that during pregame or even post game take a knee in solidarity and just leave the anthem out of it? Would probably be a lot more accepted and the message that is trying to be conveyed wouldn't be lost in controversy.
Leave my precious anthem alone! Wah. I'm a baby and can't handle the idea that people have an issue they want to bring attention to. It makes me feel so insecure.

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Kap deserves nothing. He only started this nonsense when he lost his starting gig to Blaine Gabbert and his BLM girlfriend started getting in his ear.

Also, why do this during the anthem at all? Why not before that during pregame or even post game take a knee in solidarity and just leave the anthem out of it? Would probably be a lot more accepted and the message that is trying to be conveyed wouldn't be lost in controversy.
Yeah, no man should ever listen to a woman.

*Sarcasm*
 
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