Potential additions for next year at SF/PF, PF/C

[Handlogten's Heros]

If I was setting the over/under on a Wood contract I'd say 4 years and 50M... I'd be fairly shocked if someone went over 4/60M and I think there is a world where he gets slightly better than the MLE due to lack of FA spending.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe we just aren't on the same page from my initial comments. If Detroit trades Blake Griffin for Conley, they have to give up something.

What I said in my original post was Griffin and Kennard (expiring RFA), OR Griffin and a protected future 1st, OR Griffin and Doumbouya (they would actually get an asset from us for this).

- Kennard is eh. I could see how we value him, but I wonder what his value is overall. Detroit might not even want him long term.

- If Detroit sent us a lottery protected 1st and Griffin for Conley, it might be 5 or 6 years until we are conveyed that pick. Clearing off that salary (and unhappy Griffin) for 21-22 might be more important for that franchise than some pick in the teens in 5 or 6 years.

- Doumbouya is a stretch. Doubtful

Its still a first... and honestly they could likely get a first if they moved Kennard. Probably a late first but I could see Philly jumping all over that deal. So its a couple first to move him with no monetary benefit because you need to fill the salary slot anyway.

If it is Blake for Conley straight up then sure... If it is Blake and Luke for Conley I could see them going for that too. Add a first to it and I think its a no... we wouldn't do it without the first right? So that first then would have value to them too.

I think the much better course for them is fairly obvious... hold onto Blake and hope he has a healthy stretch and then move him for expirings. Don't sell an asset at its lowest value.

 

[LoPo]

If I was setting the over/under on a Wood contract I'd say 4 years and 50M... I'd be fairly shocked if someone went over 4/60M and I think there is a world where he gets slightly better than the MLE due to lack of FA spending.

It's possible that Wood is the best free agent in the market. Why wouldn't New York, Atlanta, Miami, Toronto and Charlotte be interested in signing him to $20+?

I mean, look at this list of free agents knowing that Hayward, Drummond, Anthony Davis and others are gonna stay put:

2020 NBA free agency: A look at the top 100 free agents, from Fred VanVleet to Wenyen Gabriel

This is a rundown of the players who were or are on the market

www.cbssports.com

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's possible that Wood is the best free agent in the market. Why wouldn't New York, Atlanta, Miami, Toronto and Charlotte be interested in signing him to $20+?

I mean, look at this list of free agents knowing that Hayward, Drummond, Anthony Davis and others are gonna stay put:

2020 NBA free agency: A look at the top 100 free agents, from Fred VanVleet to Wenyen Gabriel

This is a rundown of the players who were or are on the market

www.cbssports.com

Thats just my guess... his value could be all over the place.

Atlanta has Collins and Capela... they will look elsewhere... Miami won't do long term money as they are looking towards Giannis FA. Toronto really doesn't have space unless they renounce Van Vleet, Serge and Gasol...

So it is really NY, Detroit, and Charlotte. I could see one of those teams going to $20M but I could also see NY doing the one year place holder and MJ getting tight with his money. There are other good bigs on the market that might come cheaper.

 

[LoPo]

Thats just my guess... his value could be all over the place.

Atlanta has Collins and Capela... they will look elsewhere... Miami won't do long term money as they are looking towards Giannis FA. Toronto really doesn't have space unless they renounce Van Vleet, Serge and Gasol...

So it is really NY, Detroit, and Charlotte. I could see one of those teams going to $20M but I could also see NY doing the one year place holder and MJ getting tight with his money. There are other good bigs on the market that might come cheaper.

Miami is smart enough to get Wood (hehe) if they can and trade him if they need to in order to acquire Giannis.

Toronto depends. Why would they bring back Gasol and Ibaka if they can get Wood?

I just think $15 is cheap since I think he's the best long term free agent on the market this summer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Miami is smart enough to get Wood (hehe) if they can and trade him if they need to in order to acquire Giannis.

Toronto depends. Why would they bring back Gasol and Ibaka if they can get Wood?

I just think $15 is cheap since I think he's the best long term free agent on the market this summer.

I guess on Miami, but Pat also know he has good young bigs and it can be tough to move a bad deal. They also have to renounce guys to do it.

Toronto can't sign Wood without renounce all their free agents and Van Vleet is a better player than Wood... imo so are Gasol and Ibaka, but I get the long term value argument in favor of Wood.

I just think its a limited market and teams know they can likely get bigs cheaper than other positions. You might be right... NY might pony up. I get the feeling they go the other route and get more established guys.

Who knows where the dominos will fall... If I had to guess 4/50ish is what I'd guess.

 

[whatthe]

The Covid effect could scare teams (and the Jazz) from spending....

 

[Udidthizz]

He's gotten much better on both ends of the floor. Kanter is a useful offensive player but is slow laterally and a putrid rim defender. I think Tony has gotten better at the rim... averaged a block a game after the AS break and he moves well for his size. He's seeing things a little better. Honestly I'm in the camp of we should just stick with Tony at this point. I don't know how much better we can get by throwing the MLE at a center.

Surprisingly, Tony’s per 36 stats are virtually identical to Rudy’s. Obviously projecting 11 minutes per game on 36 minutes isn’t always realistic (not to mention that he would be fouled out twice in that much time) and Rudy’s defense is incomparable, but it’s interesting to note.

 

[Bodhi]

The blatant Bogey disrespect in this thread is wild.

 

[NAOS]

Couple of assumptions based on our general mode of operation... we won't make big changes, so no Conley trade. Also, we retain JC at a reasonable price $8-10M per year. Using the MLE likely puts us over the luxury tax.

I honestly think next year that Oni and Brantley can be valuable rotation players. Bradley is much better than he was (though the playoffs provide an acid test for him) I can't see us giving up on Tony now when he's actually paying off a little. I think we go the budget bin for any other additions to avoid the luxury tax and keep salaries low. I'm looking at valuable wing defenders in the under $5M range. Utility guys that can play a couple positions.

Shaq Harrison in Chicago is one I'd be very interested in. Can probably get him under $3M per year (maybe even minimum deal). Can play 1-3 and is a good/disruptive defender.

Torrey Craig is another guy though he could go above the $5M budget with a good playoff. Valuable and versatile wing defender does the dirty work.

I really like Torrey Craig. Didn’t realize he was gonna be an FA.

This an excellent HH post. Thanks, man. You’re onto something again.

 

[NAOS]

Bradley actually reminds me a lot of Kanter. Dude can absolutely get buckets around the rim, and grab some boards. But he is a complete non-factor on defense. And I'm really not sure how much room he has to improve on that end.

Regardless, he has shown enough and is very cheap. We already commit way more to the Center position than most teams. Bradley is about the only kind of backup we can reasonably afford.

I get your general drift here, but I do think Brantley has improved as a defender. And I think he’ll likely improve more.

 

[NAOS]

Me.

The argument for Covington is obviously the defensive upgrade over Bogey. And we have defensive problems; big slip this year.

I don’t want to see Bogey traded, but we need to break into the next tier of teams NEXT YEAR and then hope that Max-Paid Donovan is a more legit lure to free agents.

Adding a guy like Torrey Craig could be a cheaper and easier option to support the defense. But they would need to move Conley to the bench, I think