Players only meeting.

[Handlogten's Heros]

This **** really dangerous. I hope the players have great well informed help. They will give the owners an out to tear up the CBA... they are staring at a loss next year so losing a season not a big deal unless they lose money on the new tv deal they need to negotiate. They were already losing steam there.

Everyone's resolve will be tested next 24 hours.

 

[JazzyFresh]

We have an unprecedented moment in modern WORLD HISTORY, where the players have stopped a multi-multi-billion dollar institution in solidarity with human rights, and we have people on Jazzfanz telling them it’s either a hollow gesture or counterproductive. That THEY know better.

to quote Doc Rivers, “I think it’s AMAZING.”

Explain to me what comes out of this? How does any of this change anything. Do you really think people are going to change their stance at this stage? Seems to be a victory for those boycotting to me.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Explain to me what comes out of this? How does any of this change anything. Do you really think people are going to change their stance at this stage? Seems to be a victory for those boycotting to me.

All strikes are ever used for is to leverage power to make changes happen. This problem is so much bigger than some bad cops, it’s a system rotten to its roots and needs to be fundamentally changed. Them continuing to play games, keeping the machine humming, and people blissfully distracted keeps the status quo alive and well. The spotlight on social justice was the compromise in order to start the season, it wasn’t the goal.

The whole point of strikes is to cause disruption. It is the entire point. And this is seismic.

 

[Avery]

Imagine the CBA getting torn up by this. Guess we wouldn’t have to worry about the Supermax with Rudy.

 

[vegas]

I think the pandemic stopped trillion dollar industries. No idea in other states, but in Utah everybody spent their money on the following in chronological order: TP, sanitizer and cleaning agents, then stay at home entertainment (bikes, pools, fences, home improvment whatever, sod, PCs) Money just moved, it's not like it hardly stopped anything here. I truly believe this is counterproductive. I think it fades like the unity 911 brought us.

 

[JazzyFresh]

All strikes ever are used to leverage power to make changes happen. This problem is so much bigger than some bad cops, it’s a system rotten to its roots and needs to be fundamentally changed. Them continuing to play games, keeping the machine humming, and people blissfully distracted keeps the status quo alive and well. The messaging and branding was the compromise in order to start the season.

In short, the whole point of strikes is to cause disruption. It is the entire point.

These owners and bigwigs will be perfectly fine without them. It actually gives them huge leverage with CBA. The ones hurt are the lower paid players and contract players.

My point is this disruption doesn't disrupt anything. It doesn't change a single thing. It actually hurts as the NBA is a much bigger platform than any other option.

 

[nateboz]

Good. Just delete the entire NBA and start fresh. One where a salary cap means something. One where contracts aren't fully guaranteed. One where teams can use a franchise tag to save their franchise. One where officials get fired for being terrible. One where a small market team isn't just a farm team for LA and Boston type cities.
Do it. Please.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

All strikes are ever used for is to leverage power to make changes happen. This problem is so much bigger than some bad cops, it’s a system rotten to its roots and needs to be fundamentally changed. Them continuing to play games, keeping the machine humming, and people blissfully distracted keeps the status quo alive and well. The spotlight on social justice was the compromise in order to start the season, it wasn’t the goal.

The whole point of strikes is to cause disruption. It is the entire point. And this is seismic.

I do worry that if they see this all the way through that they lose their leverage and the losses on both sides will be fairly catastrophic. If they don't find ways to keep everyone's attention they will lose a part of their influence.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

These owners and bigwigs will be perfectly fine without them. It actually gives them huge leverage with CBA. The ones hurt are the lower paid players and contract players.

My point is this disruption doesn't disrupt anything. It doesn't change a single thing. It actually hurts as the NBA is a much bigger platform than any other option.

Their franchises will lose incredible value if the tv money goes down significantly. Basically everyone will cut off they noses to spite they faces.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I do worry that if they see this all the way through that they lose their leverage and the losses on both sides will be fairly catastrophic. If they don't find ways to keep everyone's attention they will lose a part of their influence.

There are always huge risks to striking.

 

[cowhide]

Both LA teams have voted to stop the season.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Their franchises will lose incredible value if the tv money goes down significantly. Basically everyone will cut off they noses to spite they faces.

And with any successful business owner that will trickle down to the players salary and fans. They hold the cards no matter how much power players think they have.

Regardless I still don't see how this type of money transfer chances anything. How does hurting the establishment financially fix police brutality?

 

[zyzz]

I'm all for players doing whatever they want to do. Everyone has free will.

However, I think NBA players might have a false sense of how much influence they have over our country, culture, and government. A police officer making an extremely bad decision and potentially killing someone isn't going to change because NBA players decided not to play a game.

Any changes NBA players, or the public in general, would like to see regarding police brutality, criminal justice reform, etc. are not going to be solved overnight. There are 300+ million people living together in this country. Police shootings, even unjustified ones, are not going to stop anytime in the near future. The goal should be to minimize and reduce these over time. If NBA players refrain from playing until all unjustified police shootings are eliminated...........they aren't going to be playing during this lifetime.

I think you may be underestimating the power that athletes have. NBA/NFL players could strike until owners pool their hundreds of billions of dollars together to bus people to voting locations, pay for polling station workers, etc. And if the NBA strike leads to a strike of college and NFL players, the economic impact on a lot of cities (especially in "flyover" cities) would be devastating. Imagine if the Green Bay Packers and Milwaukee Bucks said "we're not playing in Wisconsin anymore" and move elsewhere. According to the Green Bay Press Gazette, the Packers generate over $153 million per year in direct and indirect economic benefit to Brown County. Over 600,000 people go to Green Bay on game days and pour their money into the businesses there.

Imagine if every college team in these small towns does this, where game days fuel their economies. Penn State football brings in over $70 million a year in visitor spending. University of Wisconsin games bring in $16 million per home game and about 70% of revenue for retailers is tied to events and tourism. Where is that going to come from in Madison, Wisconsin without athletes? Same goes for places like Lincoln, Nebraska/Iowa City, Iowa/countless other small cities where college football is the only show in town.

 

[cowhide]

Who are they trying to hurt by cancelling the season? The owners? The fans? Bubble ball was a good platform as the issues were talked about in pregame, on commercials, interviews, etc. All of that will now be gone for reruns of Big Bang Theory. Whatever, it is their decision.

How do you know their motives are trying to hurt people? Maybe just maybe they realize basketball is pointless right now. You comment comes across as being immature.

 

[Jazz4ever]

These owners and bigwigs will be perfectly fine without them. It actually gives them huge leverage with CBA. The ones hurt are the lower paid players and contract players.

My point is this disruption doesn't disrupt anything. It doesn't change a single thing. It actually hurts as the NBA is a much bigger platform than any other option.

That's why they hopefully take some time before making a decision. They are not thinking of all the kids playing in college, even high school, G league. If the NBA popularity dwindles, thousands of jobs will be eliminated, less scholarships will be given, lots of implications.

 

[candrew]

Imagine if every college team in these small towns does this, where game days fuel their economies. Penn State football brings in over $70 million a year in visitor spending. University of Wisconsin games bring in $16 million per home game and about 70% of revenue for retailers is tied to events and tourism. Where is that going to come from in Madison, Wisconsin without athletes? Same goes for places like Lincoln, Nebraska/Iowa City, Iowa/countless other small cities where college football is the only show in town.

Well then I'd say they might just get their message across.

 

[cowhide]

Explain to me what comes out of this? How does any of this change anything. Do you really think people are going to change their stance at this stage? Seems to be a victory for those boycotting to me.

So they should do nothing and just laugh off another black person being shot in the back so you can enjoy basketball. At least they are trying todo something. They are putting their profession and a chance to win a championship on the sidelines so they can TRY to make change. They should be applauded for their stance. You always hear fans complaining about rich spoiled athletes and now they do something to help change society. And people are questioning their motives or the probability of success.

 

[cowhide]

That's why they hopefully take some time before making a decision. They are not thinking of all the kids playing in college, even high school, G league. If the NBA popularity dwindles, thousands of jobs will be eliminated, less scholarships will be given, lots of implications.

You have to be kidding. The rate blacks are being shot there won't be around to do those things.

 

[JazzyFresh]

So they should do nothing and just laugh off another black person being shot in the back so you can enjoy basketball. At least they are trying todo something. They are putting their profession and a chance to win a championship on the sidelines so they can TRY to make change. They should be applauded for their stance. You always hear fans complaining about rich spoiled athletes and now they do something to help change society. And people are questioning their motives or the probability of success.

Ok.


Now answer my question on what changes. How does not playing the rest of the season and a possible lockout fix police brutality?

 

[mongoose01]

I personally think this is all because many of the elite millionaire players are unhappy in the bubble. They aren’t willing to put up with the discomfort they are experiencing personally. I think it’s all a way for them to appear as if they are taking a big moral stance and sacrificing, but it’s really just a selfish act for most of them.
I have a hard time understanding the social justice stance that applies and has so much meaning to these guys in America - but these are the same people that continue to exploit so much about China.