Players only meeting.

[whatthe]

They have social media pages to organize the gatherings, so these people aren't just randomly meeting in the streets. Luckily most are dumber than a box of rocks. A recent exploit of theirs was trying to use quick dry cement to lock police inside and burn them alive.

Rantz: Rioters tried to burn Seattle police alive, sealed door during fire at East Precinct

Seattle rioters tried to sealed the door to the East Precinct shut while also attempting to set fire to the building, the Seattle Police Department has confirmed.

mynorthwest.com

Then we have this, Antifa trying to reenact a viking shield wall to stop police.

An example of reverse virtual signaling. There are millions upon millions of black citizens and none of them are like that. The rioters can be nuts, but that doesn't undermine the points of millions of others.

 

[LoPo]

ANY comment degrading someone based on race or skin color is by definition racism. When you bring skin color into the fight you cross a line. If you want change, don't cross the line.

Kenny Smith said it was inappropriate. I concur.

I wouldn't defend calling people racially motivated names. I certainly wouldn't say that it is somehow not racially motivated.

It doesn't compare to shooting someone in the back 7 times from point blank range. Absolutely true. We should be outraged as people. There is history that cannot be dismissed. But if we are going to move on then people need to not cross the line. PEOPLE, not some group of people as defined by skin color. Not white boys or African Americans.

Respect. Don't cross the line.

Well said

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[Archie Moses]

Head Coaches and executives from Cleveland’s three major professional sports teams - the Cavaliers, Browns and Indians - are forming a sports alliance to develop a sustainable and direct strategy to address social injustice facing the city of Cleveland and all Northeast Ohio.

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I'm 100% for that and good for them.

Indians played yesterday. Cavs and Browns are in the off season.

They did something other than canceling games which literally does nothing.

 

[LoPo]

Why don't you educate me on what I'm missing or what I said that was so moronic.

I'll wait...

NAOS and Cy just want to go around calling people names. I'm starting to think it might be the same person for as much as they piggieback off of each other and talk badly towards people.

I think much of what you said had merit. Some of what everybody has said has had merit. This is a very complicated issue. Starts with not abusing power and treating everybody with the same level of respect.

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[Archie Moses]

NAOS and Cy just want to go around calling people names. I'm starting to think it might be the same person for as much as they piggieback off of each other and talk badly towards people.

I think much of what you said had merit. Some of what everybody has said has had merit. This is a very complicated issue. Starts with not abusing power and treating everybody with the same level of respect.

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It's a very complicated issue. There are many examples of racism or police injustice that aren't skewed to drive the message.

I don't think any man should be shot in the back 8 times. I put blame on the police for not arriving at a better resolution. I also blame Blake, who's a rapists, abuser, chronic police fighting jackass that did exactly what no one should do unless they wanna get shot by the cops. It's really not that hard to me. No one wants to mention that and if you do, you're a "moran."

Look back at the election years and race is always a hot topic, fresh on every body's minds. Hmm... I wonder why.

This isn't to say there's not race problems and social injustices, there are.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

When people say they have a platform they really mean to say is they're privileged.

Change my mind.

No... I have heard opinions from Kenny, Doc, Shaq, Donovan, Lebron, the Bucks team, Nedum Onuoha, Kaye, and countless other players that I wouldn't have heard if it weren't for sports. I would call that a platform. Post game interviews, twitter comments, videos, etc. I wouldn't tune in frankly if I wasn't watching sports.

 

[Archie Moses]

No... I have heard opinions from Kenny, Doc, Shaq, Donovan, Lebron, the Bucks team, Nedum Onuoha, Kaye, and countless other players that I wouldn't have heard if it weren't for sports. I would call that a platform. Post game interviews, twitter comments, videos, etc. I wouldn't tune in frankly if I wasn't watching sports.

100%

 

[Utesnjazz]

Can’t believe the players caved so quickly.
I was really looking forward to to some Jerry Springer type bickering between the owners and players. I just can’t win

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just asked a guy why the protests bother him... it was very much a shut up and dribble type of response. I really think the older generation just ain't gonna get it.

 

[DasJazz]

What do ALL of these police shootings have in common? NONE of the suspects listened to or complied with the instructions given by the police. If they had, they wouldn't have gotten shot. The solution then is simple. Respect the police and do what they tell you to do. PERIOD! If you don't agree, you can always LIVE and contest it later. Those police officers want to go home to their families at the end of the day. If they blindly let a non compliant suspect reach into their car, and wait to see if he pulls out a gun, it's too late to react and the gunfight is over. What do people think, that the rules should be that police are only allowed to fire AFTER they've been fired upon? Give me a break! Police have to make split second, oftentimes life and death decisions during rapidly escalating circumstances and then are second guessed by people sitting and in a lounge chair watching the video replayed in slow motion calling the police involved racists and murderers.

Walk a mile in their moccasins and you'll quickly see how difficult their job is.

 

[DasJazz]

Just asked a guy why the protests bother him... it was very much a shut up and dribble type of response. I really think the older generation just ain't gonna get it.

I don't mind protests, I do mind looting, killing more people and burning down cities and destroying your very own neighbors livelihoods. What we are seeing here is not protesting, it is criminal violence.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't mind protests, I do mind looting, killing more people and burning down cities and destroying your very own neighbors livelihoods. What we are seeing here is not protesting, it is criminal violence.

We were talking about the players threatening a strike... so not the violent protests you are talking about.

 

[gandalfe]

I have heard a lot of people ask for TANGIBLE WAYS that they can improve the community. Can we be more constructive and suggest ways of helping out and healing instead of witch hunting?

I have heard LISTEN. I have heard VOTE. Happy to do both.

A tangible change I would support is exchanging the majority of police officers arsenal from lethal to effective non-lethal as a way to curb police brutality and excessive use of force. Its not a cure all but a step in the right direction methinks.

I have an idea: Make them keep their gun in their trunk, and record every time they open the locker.

Also, why don't cops have smart guns?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have an idea: Make them keep their gun in their trunk, and record every time they open the locker.

Also, why don't cops have smart guns?

It is very convenient that the guys never have the body cameras on or they weren't working when these things happen.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Ah, okay got it. How much did you give?

a person with a billion dollars donating a million dollars is like someone making $40000/year donating $40.

These vampires can shell out much, much more. That's not to mention the fact that they actually do not actually work for their wages-- their possession of money and assets makes them money.

Of course, the rot of capitalism has done a number on Americans to the point where many (most?) side with billionaires ahead of working basketball players who routinely give back more than their bosses (example: Zion paying the salaries of workers laid off when ownership never did).

I'm warmed by the wildcat strike. Its spontaneity was educational but its lack of organization and solidarity led to its early end. It's too bad-- I honestly think the NBA could spearhead a general strike across North America, something that may be needed before millions more die from covid this winter.

 

[Deleted member 848]

This. A hundred times this. If you read the ESPN play-by-play of last night, the Bucks' owner at one point called the Wisconsin governor on his personal phone and asked him to talk to players for 3 hours. That is incredibly telling. That is the reality of being a rich white man in America. You have a direct freaking line to the highest levels of government. For all his money and fame, do you think Giannis had the number?

The attorney general too. To quote George Carlin -- it's a big club, and you ain't in it.

 

[fishonjazz]

What do ALL of these police shootings have in common? NONE of the suspects listened to or complied with the instructions given by the police. If they had, they wouldn't have gotten shot. The solution then is simple. Respect the police and do what they tell you to do. PERIOD! If you don't agree, you can always LIVE and contest it later. Those police officers want to go home to their families at the end of the day. If they blindly let a non compliant suspect reach into their car, and wait to see if he pulls out a gun, it's too late to react and the gunfight is over. What do people think, that the rules should be that police are only allowed to fire AFTER they've been fired upon? Give me a break! Police have to make split second, oftentimes life and death decisions during rapidly escalating circumstances and then are second guessed by people sitting and in a lounge chair watching the video replayed in slow motion calling the police involved racists and murderers.

Walk a mile in their moccasins and you'll quickly see how difficult their job is.

I have seen people disobey mask mandates. I say anyone who doesn't wear a mask where it's required should be shot. Then after they get shot we just say, well you should have worn a mask.

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[candrew]

Can’t believe the players caved so quickly.

Neither did I at first but from what I read about the events over the last 24 hours it's become readily obvious.

-The Bucks never bothered to tell anyone about their boycott until game time. This includes the Orlando Magic players. So while The Bucks are sitting in their locker room the Magic are out on the floor warming up. Bad, bad look. Especially considering they're in a ****ing bubble where players from other teams co-mingle constantly.

-At the players meeting last night LeBron (who I've said in other posts is probably the main reason the bubble exists in the first place) announced he wanted to end the season. When other players gave opposing opinions he apparently stormed out of the room and took the rest of his team with him.

-The players then went to the owners and said to them "what are you going to do convince us to keep playing." When clearly the move should have been, "we want A, B, C & D or we're walking the hell out of here."

This all reeks of a lack of leadership and a lack of planning. LeBron is incapable of being a true leader outside of a basketball court because no one has ever challenged him or said no to him in over 20 years. What you have left over is a bunch of influencers - people who can do or say compelling things for 3 minutes on YouTube - but you have no leaders.

Call me biased but the one person who has a chance is Donovan, he's smart enough and grounded enough and charismatic enough; but right now he's too damn young and too damn hurt.

The season should have ended last night - the players should have told the league and the public to stick this side-show up your asses but they'll play on - it's a shame really because they had their chance to make a lasting mark.

 

[JazzyFresh]

We should be heading to a game 7 by now

 

[homeytennis]

I'm afraid we are going to see some injuries when the teams start back up. It's apparent that not all the players are into this and probably more so after the past few days. Players not giving it their all have a tendency to be injured more often than those going full throtle.