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Thread for responding to lies spread by JazzyFresh

JazzyFresh said:
I just find it incredibly wrong to mess with peoples livelihoods over not conforming to one beliefs. It's crossing a line. I'm surprised it's actually allowed but I'm not questioning the mods. We're seeing this more and more by a certain "movement" and it's just wrong plain and simple.

I'll leave it at that...
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I agree that doxxing is wrong. I disagree that you only see one side of any position or one movement engage in it. I've see doxxing being engaged in by people of multiple points of view.
 
The Thriller said:
It’s kinda funny how the same 3-4 posters always somehow find fault in the black person for dying. Whether it’s george Floyd or Taylor. It’s always the black person. Has Archie Moses, Beer, and heathme ever just blamed the (white) police? Funny how that works.
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Archie Moses and Beer do engage in some blaming of the victim, but also lay blame at the feet of police, often for the same event.
 
One Brow said:
I agree that doxxing is wrong. I disagree that you only see one side of any position or one movement engage in it. I've see doxxing being engaged in by people of multiple points of view.
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I never said otherwise but when fellow posters are doing it, or anybody for that matter do it, it's morally wrong. And is he really doxxing him? No but it's still uncalled for. I get into plenty of spats here, and honestly there's a few posters that are downright terrible excuse for humans but I would never do anything to effect their personal lives or jobs. It's flat out wrong.
 
One Brow said:
Archie Moses and Beer do engage in some blaming of the victim, but also lay blame at the feet of police, often for the same event.
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So basically what I said? They always somehow find a way to blame the victim for their own murder. Cool cool.
 
The Thriller said:
So basically what I said? They always somehow find a way to blame the victim for their own murder. Cool cool.
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No! They have both also spoken out passionately against police brutality and abuse.

Don't play the purity game here. Take your allies where you can find them. None of us are perfect. None of us are perfectly enlightened. None of us have perfect understanding.

Make an effort to agree with the people who are actually trying to agree with you even if they have questions. If you don't also have questions then you are the fool, and all of us are guilty of being the fool now and then.

C'mon man!
 
One Brow said:
Archie Moses and Beer do engage in some blaming of the victim, but also lay blame at the feet of police, often for the same event.
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I would argue that rarely are these complex scenarios 100% to blame on a single side. It might be 95%/5% but there is almost always something that one side or the other could have done to avoid, or at least reduce the severity of, the situation. I think Archie just wants to give equal weight to what could have been done to avoid the situation on both sides. The cop should not have shot the guy in the back; the guy should have obeyed commands and stopped. The cop is guilty of murder, the guy is guilty of not obeying the lawful commands of a peace officer. One does not fully negate the other, although one is obviously far worse of an offense, and there is zero excuse for murder, but it cannot be ignored that if the guy had stopped he likely would not have been shot at all. Something like that is usually what Archie is going for in these scenarios. Correct me if I am wrong @Archie Moses
 
Gameface said:
No! They have both also spoken out passionately against police brutality and abuse.

Don't play the purity game here. Take your allies where you can find them. None of us are perfect. None of us are perfectly enlightened. None of us have perfect understanding.

Make an effort to agree with the people who are actually trying to agree with you even if they have questions. If you don't also have questions then you are the fool, and all of us are guilty of being the fool now and then.

C'mon man!
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Why can't I like this post more than once? @Jason @colton get on this! I need to be able to like this post multiple times dammit!!
 
I think it’s interesting to see who else is being caught in the troll net with JazzyFresh. Who do we have so far? Just babe and Joe Bagadonuts? Who else has flushed out?
 
Gameface said:
No! They have both also spoken out passionately against police brutality and abuse.

Don't play the purity game here. Take your allies where you can find them. None of us are perfect. None of us are perfectly enlightened. None of us have perfect understanding.

Make an effort to agree with the people who are actually trying to agree with you even if they have questions. If you don't also have questions then you are the fool, and all of us are guilty of being the fool now and then.

C'mon man!
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Are these people allies when they place caveats for every murder victim? Cops shouldn’t Murder people, no matter who they’re dating. I’m sorry, but it’s hard for me to consider them allies to the cause when there’s always “but The victim shouldn’t have x” when the police are clearly to blame. To me, always placing that caveat works to maintain the status quo.

The police need to ****ing stop murdering POC.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Anything on we now knowing Trump and Russia had absolutely no illegal monetary ties? I remember you going off for days about Trump and Russia. I'll expect my answer by 3:15 or you concede again
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I don't recall anyone claiming there were illegal monetary ties. The legal monetary ties are more than enough concern.
 
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