Coronavirus
- Thread starter Hekate
- Start date
Lots of people feel throwing water is assault.
Beer
Well-Known Member
Those people are little bitches.
Beer
Well-Known Member
Yeah, that short clip doesn't tell much. Does seem odd everyone rushes to the woman and calls out the man, so there must have been something going on from him previous.
Avery
Well-Known Member
Yeah, if he called her the n word or something, sure, but then he would deserve a roundhouse to the face vs. spit.
Guess I’m just a bit old school where you should expect to be knocked if you disrespect someone.
Beer
Well-Known Member
Me too, but I do like to know that actual story before I decide if they were deserving of getting ****ed up or not.
LogGrad98
Well-Known Member
Contributor
2020-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
Again, context matters.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
Well-Known Member
Tested negative, but not out of the woods. Virus is in my facility I work at
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
New record. And yet foot game tonight will remain unchanged. The movie theaters and restaurants near my house will remain packed. And we'll be back to new records next week!
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
Yikes
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
Well-Known Member
Ya know what. All these ****ing years I’ve been right about our government. They aren’t in this to serve us!! If they were the virus wouldn’t be this out of control, and the scary part is it’s going to get any worse and the government is sitting on its ****ing hands. America hasn’t been America in a long *** ****ing god damn time.
that’s what I think. These so called law makers need to grow some BALLS and do something, anything!!
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
Who? What is the government? Do you think the executive branch should do something? I mean, it’s the branch that controls the CDC and FDA. It’s the branch that can really deliver a message and form a strategy. But are you expecting Trump to do that? The guy couldn’t find his way out of a paper bag. Should congress do something? What?
Should state governments do more?
84k cases. Could we have prevented this through public policy the same way Europe has? Here are the numbers from Europe for Friday. I grabbed the ones I saw. Feel free to add any as one wishes.
UK: 20,530
France: 42,032
Spain: 19,851
Italy: 19,139
Germany: 13,476
Belgium: 16,746
Netherlands: 9,996
Poland: 13,632
Here's what those numbers would look like if they had the same population size we do:
UK: 100,199
France: 205,141
Spain: 138,112
Italy: 103,685
Germany: 53,092
Belgium: 477,831
Netherlands: 189,160
Poland: 117,400
It's almost as if we have much less control over this than we want to believe. That or Trump has really mismanaged the European crisis.
Last edited:
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
LOL. The mere fact that Europe is finally having a spike NOW shows that it can be controlled. We all knew that fall and winter Was going to cause the northern hemisphere issues. Europe is now figuring out how to best deal with cooler temperatures and loosened restrictions. The problem is you’re looking at a snapshot today when what we need to do is look at the entire film strip. We’re the only country that has consistently led the world in cases and deaths since April.
So yeah, things suck now in France and Germany. But it wasn’t that way a few months ago. And it most likely won’t be as bad a few months from now.
Leadership matters.
Lockdown continues in Melbourne, started at the end of June, we had 7 cases today, city of 5 million remains shut, feel like this is never going to end. All i want is a counter meal at the pub with some mates and to be able to go to the gym and work out. Seemingly impossible at the moment.
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
Why spread this disinformation? What do you think the consequences of undermining the science will be?
If spiking now shows that it can be controlled, and that lower rates was evidence of policy success, then the unspoken implication is that the spike now must be due to public policy failure. What other explanation is there, especially with the spike being so drastically higher than current US spike? Here's a good graph:
And another important caveat is to look at how well testing is or isn't entirely capturing this. Here are how many tests per 1 million population each of the countries above have run:
Czech Republic: 188,653
Belgium: 389,956
Holland: 169,238
France: 224,090
Spain: 331,544
UK: 458,231
Italy: 239,803
Sweden: 205,031
US: 398,679
And here are the ones that I mentioned previously that are not on this graph:
Germany: 243,003
Poland: 114,456
To visualize this, I put it into a graph to get a good idea of comparative testing rates. This isn't organized very well because I threw it together quick, but you get the idea:
But when you say "We all knew that fall and winter Was going to cause the northern hemisphere issues," I think it's important to clarify when. I had been saying way back in April, when taking a seasonality approach was completely dismissed because it played to a more optimistic side, but I had predicted that when the seasons swung and seasonality could be brought back under doom highlights, that people would welcome this interpretation:
[From April]
And then again in much more detail in May in this post.
But to speak to all things seasonality regarding this, there's plenty of evidence regarding lower fatality rates over the summer, and delaying the spread of the infection for winter months could prove more deadly. This was also discussed by myself and candrew somewhere earlier in this thread. So time will tell here if Europe's lockdown and suppression of spread over the summer months was ultimately helpful, or if this delayed infection for later, more deadly, months, in addition to secondary health issues from lockdown and economic fallout.
If we backup to when this all started, nearly everyone in the world saw the article that former President Obama tweeted out that had live simulations of different containment strategies. The education that was pushed from this and then everyone globally understood was that the total number of infections would be relatively unchanged -- that we wouldn't be able to control that -- but that it was imperative that we did do what we could do, which was prevent the collapse of the medical system and prevent unnecessary secondary deaths as a result of healthcare system collapse. That was the purpose. Everybody understood that at that time. So the issue we have before us has now pivoted and absolutely nobody can really put forth a cogent argument of what the actual end-game is. If you could theoretically hold this off until there was an (effective) vaccine, then that's one thing, but the amount of time until that's a reality is very questionable. So the question really becomes what natural barriers arise to get this to the point where the rate of new infections is stable (i.e. endemic, i.e. no longer a pandemic). If you think this will be eradicated, or if you think that concept is on the table with some kind of public policy intervention or leadership, please Google the list of infectious diseases that have been eradicated. But I digress... if the total number of infections are going to be the same, does it make more sense to have those who get exposed to it first be those who are more healthy and less vulnerable, or do we take an approach where everyone avoids it, and therefore more evenly spread the infection across demographic age and health groups? Because to me, it makes more sense for community immunity to be built amongst the healthy, as this has a lower infection fatality rate for those under 65 than influenza does.
So I guess we will see if Europe's summer suppression was a good idea.
Red
Well-Known Member
Not yet peer reviewed. Illustrating cognitive decline in long haul Covid-19 survivors. There is a link to the full text...
www.medrxiv.org
Significance statement. There is evidence that COVID-19 may cause long term health changes past acute symptoms, termed ‘long COVID’. Our analyses of detailed cognitive assessment and questionnaire data from tens thousands of datasets, collected in collaboration with BBC2 Horizon, align with the view that there are chronic cognitive consequences of having COVID-19. Individuals who recovered from suspected or confirmed COVID-19 perform worse on cognitive tests in multiple domains than would be expected given their detailed age and demographic profiles. This deficit scales with symptom severity and is evident amongst those without hospital treatment. These results should act as a clarion call for more detailed research investigating the basis of cognitive deficits in people who have survived SARS-COV-2 infection.
Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19 relative to controls: An N=84,285 online study
Case studies have revealed neurological problems in severely affected COVID-19 patients. However, there is little information regarding the nature and broader prevalence of cognitive problems post-infection or across the full spread of severity. We analysed cognitive test data from 84,285 Great...
www.medrxiv.org
Significance statement. There is evidence that COVID-19 may cause long term health changes past acute symptoms, termed ‘long COVID’. Our analyses of detailed cognitive assessment and questionnaire data from tens thousands of datasets, collected in collaboration with BBC2 Horizon, align with the view that there are chronic cognitive consequences of having COVID-19. Individuals who recovered from suspected or confirmed COVID-19 perform worse on cognitive tests in multiple domains than would be expected given their detailed age and demographic profiles. This deficit scales with symptom severity and is evident amongst those without hospital treatment. These results should act as a clarion call for more detailed research investigating the basis of cognitive deficits in people who have survived SARS-COV-2 infection.
LogGrad98
Well-Known Member
Contributor
2020-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
So what he did to her after the spit, regardless of what he may have said, was fully justified then? Was he defending himself from the spit by committing battery?