Election Count Issues

[babe]

Proof that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will work. Will probably poison the body politic for quite awhile.

And more evidence that conspiracism is now the default thinking mode of many Americans. How can that possibly bode well? Rationality is of considerable value. It’s being trashed. It’s the age of conspiracy theories, and it’s going to cause a lot of damage.

The line from Timothy Snyder in my signature says it all where this **** is concerned. It’s not one sided, though. Trump might be selling it, but Trumpsters are buying what they want to hear.

Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump "rightfully won" the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.

www.reuters.com

I've seen various polls, most of them showing more R distrust than D, but it's like 70/30, pretty large regardless of party.

Put it another way, a lot of people just won't vote. Most of them distrust politics or don't care at all, and have no vested loyalty to defend in asserting "fair" elections. Likely doubters with little force of conviction. Who the hell cares.

Might be the same 30% of Dems that didn't vote even this time. And the same 30% of Rs that didn't vote either.

Committed visionary wonks on both sides will always vote, and will always blame the other side for cheating if they lose, like the Resistance wonks did in 2016. That's 20% of the voters on both sides.

The difference is independents and Dems with traditional American values, and Republican moderates pretty much the same.

Oh, well, maybe there's a bunch of unhinged perps with no rhyme or reason, and who can say what they do. No reason at all.

I think the fixed belief in "conspiracy theory" people is just an insult to anyone who still has a functioning cerebral cortex. All you need to be an agenda wonk or a true blue believer is a cerebellum. And all it takes to convince a "Cerebellar intellect" that a "Conspiracy Theorist" is out there in the trailer trash town is one professor with a dope on his rope.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've seen various polls, most of them showing more R distrust than D, but it's like 70/30, pretty large regardless of party.

Put it another way, a lot of people just won't vote. Most of them distrust politics or don't care at all, and have no vested loyalty to defend in asserting "fair" elections. Likely doubters with little force of conviction. Who the hell cares.

Might be the same 30% of Dems that didn't vote even this time. And the same 30% of Rs that didn't vote either.

Committed visionary wonks on both sides will always vote, and will always blame the other side for cheating if they lose, like the Resistance wonks did in 2016. That's 20% of the voters on both sides.

The difference is independents and Dems with traditional American values, and Republican moderates pretty much the same.

Oh, well, maybe there's a bunch of unhinged perps with no rhyme or reason, and who can say what they do. No reason at all.

I think the fixed belief in "conspiracy theory" people is just an insult to anyone who still has a functioning cerebral cortex. All you need to be an agenda wonk or a true blue believer is a cerebellum. And all it takes to convince a "Cerebellar intellect" that a "Conspiracy Theorist" is out there in the trailer trash town is one professor with a dope on his rope.

Fwiw over 65% of registered voters voted (highest percentage since 1908)
So your statement that 30% of democrats and 30% of Republicans didn't vote doesn't add up.

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[The Thriller]

And you also know that the fraud was only done in favor of Biden right? Only the democrats committed fraud right? Only investigate the states that trump lost for voter fraud. Seems totally legit. Just like the emails from hunter are so damning but all the russia and ukraine stuff was a nothing burger right? Despite indictments and convictions and confessions of guilt. Oh and the lack of indictments and convictions in relation to hunter. Oh and of course hillarys emails! Remember all the indictments and convictions from that fiasco!

You certainly believe the same type of things consistently. At least there that. If it is bad for the republicans then its fake news. If its bad for democrats then its all true!
I got you man.

Yep.

Plus, Why would the Democrats lose House seats and fail at recapturing the Senate? If you’re gonna commit fraud, why not retake the White House, retake the Senate, and take more House seats? I mean seriously, why not take Susan Collins out? Or Lindsey Graham? Why give them another term? Especially in Graham’s case, where the Democrat had hundreds of millions in donations and yet failed to win. I see Ben mcadams lost here in Utah. If the Dems committted fraud why would they lose seats? The old powerful Democratic Party with the mighty Joe Biden couldn’t have found a few hundred more votes to keep McAdams in congress? These conspiracies make zero sense.

This reminds me of Babe’s nonsense 4 years ago when it was Hillary’s “grand plan” to **** herself over with Comey reopening an investigation on her just so she could purposely lose the White House and then prosecute Trump for years after with the Russia investigation. Anyone with half a brain would realize that such a conspiracy was stupid. If she really didn’t want trump as president she would’ve just won the damn white house in the first place.

 

[The Thriller]

It should be noted that Sidney Powell represented michael flynn. Yes, thee michael flynn. Here’s a video of him recently:



definitely normal. And Sidney powell represents this guy.

 

[The Thriller]

Isn’t @babe the same guy who said that California was in play? Hmmm I might be sick with Rona but even I know that California won’t be in play for a long time for Republicans.

 

[Red]

It’s a pretty amazing thing that Trump has accomplished. There was no widespread election fraud. The election was not stolen by Biden. But, Trump’s point is to create the belief that he did win the 2020 election. He laid the groundwork for this Big Lie months ago, by saying the ONLY way he could lose is if the election was rigged. Now that he lost, in a fair and free 2020 election, he simply doubles down on that claim, so he can say he won. Apparently, the greater majority of GOP voters are willing to buy into the Big Lie. He will than use this triumph of lie over truth in service to whatever his post election long term goal is. All while having damaged the fundamental institution of our republic. The man is evil, and I mean evil.

Analysis: Trump's bid to spread misinformation and sow doubt

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is trying to turn America's free and fair election into a muddled mess of misinformation, specious legal claims and baseless attacks on the underpinnings of the nation's democracy.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is trying to turn America’s free and fair election into a muddled mess of misinformation, specious legal claims and baseless attacks on the underpinnings of the nation’s democracy.

The resulting chaos and confusion that has created isn’t the byproduct of Trump’s strategy following his defeat to Democrat Joe Biden. The chaos and confusion is the strategy.

Trump’s blizzard of attacks on the election are allowing him to sow discontent and doubt among his most loyal supporters, leaving many with the false impression that he is the victim of fraudulent voting. That won’t keep Trump in office — Biden will be sworn in on Jan. 20 — but it could both undermine the new president’s efforts to unify a fractured nation and fuel Trump in his next endeavor, whether that’s another White House run in 2024 or a high-profile media venture....

..... The effects of Trump’s strategy are already starting to emerge. A Monmouth University poll out Wednesday showed that 77% of Trump supporters said Biden’s victory was due to fraud, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[Gameface]

The one thing I've noticed in all this is that the Dems seem to be content letting Trump pout and throw a fit. They don't seem even the slightest bit worried. There's really no reason they should be, Trump's currently batting 0.000 on his legal challenges, unless of course getting recounts that confirm the existing results is a win.

Trump would have to overturn the will of the people in 3-4 states to win. There's no reason to think that's going to happen. Nothing that has been presented so far even sort of makes me say "oh ****, Trump might end up winning this." Nothing. The vote happened, it was counted fairly, Trump lost.

 

[One Brow]

The Hunter Biden emails were real. That much is undisputed.

I dispute that there is any evidence they are are real, and I dispute that they say anything about criminal activity.

 

[Avery]

Trump's bid for election challenges currently has a record of 1-28. That one victory? Getting his supporters to be six feet away from the vote count instead of 15 feet. Amazing - and the PA SC invalidated it anyway.

If a NBA team were 1-28, highly doubt most people would be predicting them to win the championship.

 

[Scat]

Is US Election Fraud Real? | Kiwiblog

STATE OF THE RACE One of the crucial hallmarks of democratic nations is the integrity of their election process. If the citizens cannot trust the voting system to be fair and accurate then any government elected under a shroud of election irregularities will be considered illegitimate in the...

www.kiwiblog.co.nz

 

[One Brow]

Is US Election Fraud Real? | Kiwiblog

STATE OF THE RACE One of the crucial hallmarks of democratic nations is the integrity of their election process. If the citizens cannot trust the voting system to be fair and accurate then any government elected under a shroud of election irregularities will be considered illegitimate in the...

www.kiwiblog.co.nz

I agree, that article really aged badly in only 9 days.

 

[The Thriller]

Yes. Let’s keep trusting in this legal counsel. So credible

 

[str8line]

Trump's bid for election challenges currently has a record of 1-28. That one victory? Getting his supporters to be six feet away from the vote count instead of 15 feet. Amazing - and the PA SC invalidated it anyway.

If a NBA team were 1-28, highly doubt most people would be predicting them to win the championship.

Winning!

 

[Avery]

Yes. Let’s keep trusting in this legal counsel. So credible

You don't believe in ghosts? You never seen The Haunting of Hill House or Casper? It's painfully obvious to everyone that Biden is connected to the departed soul of Chavez. Hell, he's probably possessed by him.

Or maybe Chavez ain't dead at all and he's holed up with Tupac in a bungalow somewhere on Cape Cod.

 

[One Brow]

You don't believe in ghosts? You never seen The Haunting of Hill House or Casper? It's painfully obvious to everyone that Biden is connected to the departed soul of Chavez. Hell, he's probably possessed by him.

Or maybe Chavez ain't dead at all and he's holed up with Tupac in a bungalow somewhere on Cape Cod.

That's not what she said, though.

 

[Avery]

That's not what she said, though.

I know, I watched the press conference highlights. Mostly of Rudy sweating, yammering and seeing his hair dye run down his neck.

All you need to know about Trump's legal cases now in PA is every lawyer but one has quit. People don't quit if they smell a winning argument.

 

[Gameface]

They show any of their proof yet?

 

[fishonjazz]

You don't believe in ghosts? You never seen The Haunting of Hill House or Casper? It's painfully obvious to everyone that Biden is connected to the departed soul of Chavez. Hell, he's probably possessed by him.

Or maybe Chavez ain't dead at all and he's holed up with Tupac in a bungalow somewhere on Cape Cod.

Man i wish this were true. Love me some tupac. Would be cool if he would come out with a new album even if I have kind of moved on from rap. Tupac could reel me back in possibly

 

[Avery]

They show any of their proof yet?

It's everywhere, silly! Check your pantry and you'll probably find 100 Trump ballots hiding behind your Wheat Thins.

 

[babe]

Fwiw over 65% of registered voters voted (highest percentage since 1908)
So your statement that 30% of democrats and 30% of Republicans didn't vote doesn't add up.

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So you need some math review. 100% minus 30% is 70%, which is greater than 65%. CA reports a 67% voter turnout, PA reports a 73% voter turnout. That's what my guess is based on, probably not so different in other states.

Perhaps you are confused about my breaking it separate for Rs and Ds, My point was that both parties have whatever number of registered voters in their camp, but oh around 30% of those on each side probably don't vote, same for independents not declaring a party affiliation.
30% of three slices of the whole pie is still 30% of the whole pie. Not 60% or 90%. 30% of each slice is still just 30% of the whole pie.

Of course I don't have any real data on this subject, it's just my guess pulled right outta my hind side. But I suspect after ten college statistical teams get their grants for a five year investigation of the issue, their consensus would be pretty close to that.