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Holy piss, the Apollo moon missions were fake?!

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Gameface said:
I don't believe humans are rational people who can't be exploited by liars.

I do not place faith in politicians to do good.
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well, everyone has some doubts, sometimes.

I'm having quite a bit of fun with the challenge, here, though. I've found some pretty good stuff that perhaps plays to your particular susceptibilities for conspiratorial beliefs. All I need now is to find out these perps have made donations to the Clinton foundation, lol.

The FLDS ran several businesses, many of which were contracted to do work for U.S. government branches and the Pentagon. HydraPak, founded by Jeffs himself, manufactured the faulty O-rings that were blamed for killing all seven crew members on the Challenger Space Shuttle in 1986.
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https://www.yahoo.com/movies/the-challenger-tragedys-connection-to-a-religious-128856158737.html

oh, wow. . . look at this, too. . ..

https://freethepresscanada.org/2014/02/13/part-88-mitt-romney-corporate-mormonism-church-power/

and this. . .

https://www.sltrib.com/home/3528330-155/biofuel-company-with-polygamous-ties-spent

This stuff is rich.

So Mormons and Polygamists own enough politicians they can blow up a Challenger mission to destroy a particularly threatening school teacher who teaches science and evolution to her kiddos. . . That's all the evidence I need. . . . The LDS Church and Polygamous Cults colluding to prevent people from drinking beer, believing in evolution and science. They own so many politcians nothing ever could happen without their explicit approval, on orders passed down from 50 East South Temple through Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, and Orrin Hatch.

So I know this is pretty close to your world view, Game, now I've given you "proof". Here's the conspiracy you can believe in.

look, it's almost the 4th of July, I'm trying to have fun somehow. . . . .
 
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Red, how do you know that box of moon rocks wasn't found on the spacecraft that ditched at Roswell. . . . you know. . . the one with the aliens we took into custody and have build a secret base for in Area 51, all underground, where we reverse engineer alien craft and materials.. . where we build the actual moon lander module, and the return rocketry that didn't need tons of fossil fuels to launch back from the moon????

I mean, I have no doubt we've "been there", but in field propulsion vehicles not fossilfueled torches with little titanium capsules that couldn't deal with the heat of all those alpha- and proton- particles traveling near the speed of light that lights up our aurora borealis sometimes. If we haven't been, we have some "people" who have been there.

See? If ya wanna debunk a "conspiracy theory" you should at least lay out the principle claims of the "theory" and deal factually with each, not just pull up one fact that has nothing to do with the larger issues of the generally misinformed public whose information has for some purpose been manipulated. . . .

globalists are all about managing the public. Experts, professionals, the very greatest minds are hired to create the management tools as guided by the larger purposes of management.

Government based on the Mushroom Method of Management.

Compliance secured by managing the 'light' available and the stuff we get to ruminate on, intellectually-speaking.
 
babe, you're a nice enough guy, and obviously very intelligent, but it oft seems you're point is secondary to hearing yourself talk (type). You provide a small amount of relevant information in the form of numerous long paragraphs. Is burdening the reader with a wall of periphery part of a strategy to disguise some bull****?


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Red said:
The absurdity of the required scenario is completely off the charts. A scientist, 40 years after the lunar missions, submits a proposal to NASA, requesting lunar samples for his /her proposed study. He/she is taken aside: "these are not moon rocks, but it's important that your study support the belief that they are. So you will need to agree to falsify your results. We are creating a science of lunar geology based on make believe lunar samples. You OK with that?"
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The best part is that the people doing the research will often be grad students. Like these folks spent their whole lives to fool us ignorant dupes and they don't care about the truth of what they have studied. It takes joe six-pack in his double-wide to examine the evidence that the vast media conspiracy is actively covering up to find out that flags on the moon wouldn't flap around like that. Damn, all those billionaires did all that work to fake a moon landing but good 'ol joe six-pack spotted their blunder. They have half the planet in their back pocket but they didn't count on that one high school drop out (for the record, I am a high school drop out) sniffing out their inconsistencies.

I'm all for common sense. I'm well aware that academics doesn't create intelligence. But for ignorant dumb asses to think that they can disregard thousands upon thousands of people who've spent their lives getting educated on a subject because they assume all of them are in on the conspiracy? Get ****ing real, just a little bit. Just try to imagine what reality is like and get there. We're all waiting for you.
 
babe said:
conspiracy deniers believe humans are rational beings who can't be exploited by liars playing on ignorance, vanity, or paid to do things with money. They also place faith in politicians who promise to do the good stuff.

Most "leaders" who want to get things done, who learn to be effective at that, have learned already not to count on a fully-informed public. They say what they need to say, when they need to say something, and they don't tell much of the truth.

Not too hard to get people to do what's needed, really.

Throw in a few real dreamers who believe in some cause, or share a common interest, and you have possibly fairly large cohesive crusades to save the whales, of do anything else that needs doing. . . even get a carbon tax to fund the UN>
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As far as I can see, this has nothing to do with what I pointed out. Scientists submit proposals for studies to NASA. Requiring lunar rock samples. If approved, the rocks are provided the researcher. Any samples not subjected to destructive testing are returned. If the rocks are not lunar, the researcher is going to find that out. Nobody has done that yet. There are only two sources of lunar samples, the rocks returned from the moon, and lunar meteorites.
 
babe said:
Red, how do you know that box of moon rocks wasn't found on the spacecraft that ditched at Roswell. . . . you know. . . the one with the aliens we took into custody and have build a secret base for in Area 51, all underground, where we reverse engineer alien craft and materials.. . where we build the actual moon lander module, and the return rocketry that didn't need tons of fossil fuels to launch back from the moon????

I mean, I have no doubt we've "been there", but in field propulsion vehicles not fossilfueled torches with little titanium capsules that couldn't deal with the heat of all those alpha- and proton- particles traveling near the speed of light that lights up our aurora borealis sometimes. If we haven't been, we have some "people" who have been there.

See? If ya wanna debunk a "conspiracy theory" you should at least lay out the principle claims of the "theory" and deal factually with each, not just pull up one fact that has nothing to do with the larger issues of the generally misinformed public whose information has for some purpose been manipulated. . . .

globalists are all about managing the public. Experts, professionals, the very greatest minds are hired to create the management tools as guided by the larger purposes of management.

Government based on the Mushroom Method of Management.

Compliance secured by managing the 'light' available and the stuff we get to ruminate on, intellectually-speaking.
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I was privileged to actually know an enlisted man who was stationed at Roswell at the time of the so-called Roswell Incident in 1947. He told me how one of the enlisted men in his barracks who had been involved in the cleanup smuggled a piece of the material that looked like aluminum foil into the barracks. That night, he and the other guys in that barracks played with that material. It was like nothing they had ever seen. Crumble it into a ball, and it would unfurl and leave no trace of having been folded into a ball. Anyway, he did not mention anything about moon rocks, but who knows, right? Anyway, I mention this only because it is 100% the truth. That is, I knew a guy who was stationed at Roswell during that incident, and what I just told you is what he told me. A friend and I put him in touch with a well known UFO researcher, physicist Stanton Friedman, so that he could give him a statement. I have no real way of knowing what crashed at Roswell, but I know my friend Dennis was telling me the truth. Never had any good reason to think he was lying to me about his experience that night, involving material,collected in the so-called Roswell strewn field.

831 pounds of lunar rocks, approximately, were returned via the Apollo missions. You're free to believe they arrived in our possession any way you want. I have no real reason to think we got them other then by the Apollo missions.
 
Scores of credentialed scientists, from many nations, have studied NASA's lunar samples over the many decades since those samples were collected. It is easier for me to believe the Roswell incident did indeed represent a crashed flying saucer(and my minor account above is true, I was not trying to be cute in describing what my friend told me) then believe every one of those scientists all decided to say: "I have absolutely no scientific integrity".
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION] wrote:

"See? If ya wanna debunk a "conspiracy theory" you should at least lay out the principle claims of the "theory" and deal factually with each, not just pull up one fact that has nothing to do with the larger issues of the generally misinformed public whose information has for some purpose been manipulated. . ."

If the conspiracy is simply that the original Apollo landing, the "one small step" mission,was actually studio staged, well, that's one thing. But, if the conspiracy theory is saying that we have never been to the moon, then I need only mention the easily demonstrated fact that NASA has, in it's possession, approximately 831 pounds of lunar rocks. And there are only two sources for such rocks. If all meteoritic, that can be demonstrated. Indeed, it cannot be hidden following an examination of those rocks. Those rocks are not meteoritic. So, you need to come up with a way in which NASA obtained them. I don't need to do anything else, as you suggested I somehow must do. I believe, without truly being able to prove, since I did not collect the rocks personally, that they were collected on the Apollo missions. If you want to believe they were found on whatever crashed at Roswell in 1947 ( and I'm not saying you actually believe that), that's fine with me. But I do not need to cite anything other then the ~831 pounds of NASA lunar samples in order to debunk any theory that suggests we never sent manned missions to the moon at all. I need only point out what I have pointed out regarding those lunar samples. If not lunar material, it can be very easily demonstrated. No scientist who has ever studied any of those samples has ever so demonstrated.
 
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[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION] wrote:

"See? If ya wanna debunk a "conspiracy theory" you should at least lay out the principle claims of the "theory" and deal factually with each, not just pull up one fact that has nothing to do with the larger issues of the generally misinformed public whose information has for some purpose been manipulated. . ."

If the conspiracy is simply that the original Apollo landing, the "one small step" mission,was actually studio staged, well, that's one thing. But, if the conspiracy theory is saying that we have never been to the moon, then I need only mention the easily demonstrated fact that NASA has, in it's possession, approximately 831 pounds of lunar rocks. And there are only two sources for such rocks. If all meteoritic, that can be demonstrated. Indeed, it cannot be hidden following an examination of those rocks. Those rocks are not meteoritic. So, you need to come up with a way in which NASA obtained them. I don't need to do anything else, as you suggested I somehow must do. I believe, without truly being able to prove, since I did not collect the rocks personally, that they were collected on the Apollo missions. If you want to believe they were found on whatever crashed at Roswell in 1947 ( and I'm not saying you actually believe that), that's fine with me. But I do not need to cite anything other then the ~831 pounds of NASA lunar samples in order to debunk any theory that suggests we never sent manned missions to the moon at all. I need only point out what I have pointed out regarding those lunar samples. If not lunar material, it can be very easily demonstrated. No scientist who has ever studied any of those samples has ever so demonstrated.
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[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]:

831 pounds, huh?

And, yah, I know stuff gets hot coming down through our atmosphere unshielded. I've seen some of those rocks myself, and no I don't really think the crashed craft at Roswell had a payload of moon rocks. Maybe, I dunno.

I wouldn't want to be on a lunar lander that included a rocket capable of getting back up to the orbiting craft. I haven't done the calculations of propellant required for the lunar mission including return fuel, but I don't think they would fit in a little module, and that Van Allen Belt with high energy positive ions will heat up a metal skin pretty quick. What did they do to shield the fuel? let alone the astronauts?

what really raises my hackles is we haven't been back, that's all. Maybe on the fourth of fifth trip I'll see how they do it.
 
babe said:
[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]:

831 pounds, huh?

And, yah, I know stuff gets hot coming down through our atmosphere unshielded. I've seen some of those rocks myself, and no I don't really think the crashed craft at Roswell had a payload of moon rocks. Maybe, I dunno.

I wouldn't want to be on a lunar lander that included a rocket capable of getting back up to the orbiting craft. I haven't done the calculations of propellant required for the lunar mission including return fuel, but I don't think they would fit in a little module, and that Van Allen Belt with high energy positive ions will heat up a metal skin pretty quick. What did they do to shield the fuel? let alone the astronauts?

what really raises my hackles is we haven't been back, that's all. Maybe on the fourth of fifth trip I'll see how they do it.
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No, we have not been back. But, that too is covered:


https://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html


According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong, the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:

NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!



A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.

(Ya can't make this stuff up. Well, actually, yes ya can. Replace one conspiracy(we never went to the moon) with another conspiracy(we did land on the moon, but the aliens told us to beat it and don't even think of a colony on the moon).
 
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well, all I can say is. . . we have some of our own allies who have been protecting us from these moon-squatters. That's what Area 51 is all about.

"Earth" will liberate the moon natives, once we get our public guns under control. . . . can't risk the mental telepathy those moon squatters can exert on "Patriots"..... gotta have our backside "secure".

ha ha.
 
Here's some more good stuff.

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Cosmored said:
Here's some more good stuff.

Steve the Chemist

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TL;DR

"A Mysterious force pulls him up and to the left..."
 
I have never been fully convinced because if the site where the moon lander landed, shown in the pics, is the real place, I've been there too.

All you need is a good backdrop with the Earth and stars. We have the sand and the rocks. People pick up rocks all the time in the deserts, casting eyes over the mud flats or desert scrub to mountains miles away. Never mind that these rocks are mostly "Ice Float" from lakes long gone, there are some that really do come here from the moon. A big meteor hit on the moon expels debris which is caught in our gravity. The same with Mars, besides asteroids themselves.

So in the run up to this Moon Fever, I've been following the new space capsule designs, which are very impressively trying to insulate the capsule enough to let humans survive the Van Allen Radiation belt, Perhaps there is a zone where the effects are minimal. Not convinced that's minimal enough.

The next issue is the "Moon Wind" that ripples the flag we planted "there". Let alone the Lunar launch over shifting sands......

This video is three hours long. I'll have to watch it all later.
 
babe said:
I have never been fully convinced because if the site where the moon lander landed, shown in the pics, is the real place, I've been there too.

All you need is a good backdrop with the Earth and stars. We have the sand and the rocks. People pick up rocks all the time in the deserts, casting eyes over the mud flats or desert scrub to mountains miles away. Never mind that these rocks are mostly "Ice Float" from lakes long gone, there are some that really do come here from the moon. A big meteor hit on the moon expels debris which is caught in our gravity. The same with Mars, besides asteroids themselves.

So in the run up to this Moon Fever, I've been following the new space capsule designs, which are very impressively trying to insulate the capsule enough to let humans survive the Van Allen Radiation belt, Perhaps there is a zone where the effects are minimal. Not convinced that's minimal enough.

The next issue is the "Moon Wind" that ripples the flag we planted "there". Let alone the Lunar launch over shifting sands......

This video is three hours long. I'll have to watch it all later.
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The Van Allen Radiation Belt is easy to shield against. This is known.
 
babe said:
All you need is a good backdrop with the Earth and stars. We have the sand and the rocks. People pick up rocks all the time in the deserts, casting eyes over the mud flats or desert scrub to mountains miles away. Never mind that these rocks are mostly "Ice Float" from lakes long gone, there are some that really do come here from the moon. A big meteor hit on the moon expels debris which is caught in our gravity. The same with Mars, besides asteroids themselves.
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The total weight of all known lunar meteorites does not come remotely close to the total weight of lunar samples returned from the moon and held by NASA in Houston. The first lunar meteorite recognized as such is Allan Hills 81005, found in the cold desert of Antarctica in 1982. The first hot desert lunar meteorite discovered was Calcalong Creek, Australia. It was found amidst the Millbillillie meteorite strewn field, which fell in 1960. My friend Bob Haag recognized it as lunar in a shipment of Millbillillie samples he received in 1990. It weighs only 19 grams. Most would have missed it, but Haag recognized a difference, and acted on his hunch to have it analyzed and identified as the first hot desert lunar meteorite, and the first held in private hands. Many lunar meteorites have been found in the Morocco/Algeria region of Northwest Africa(NWA).Those are the ones that have entered the meteorite collector market in recent decades. But all lunar meteorites long post date the Apollo missions. Certainly, the lunar samples held in Houston are not meteorites. They were brought back by America’s lunar missions. It’s easy to know they are not meteorites. It’s easy to know they are lunar in origin. They were not given to NASA by aliens. They originated from America’s lunar missions.


Bottom line: NASA’s lunar samples have been loaned to scientists the world over, for various studies. Two things are very easy to determine: the samples could only have originated on the moon, and they are not meteoritic in origin. The lack of cosmic ray exposure age will eliminate meteorites. The only way NASA could have come into their possession is via the lunar missions.
 
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gandalfe said:
Are there any arguments put forth that haven't been debunked by one of the sites doing that, like http://www.clavius.org?
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Just to be clear, I know absolutely nothing about the Moon. I've never been there. There are thousands of rocks on the salt flats, old lake beds of the Great Basin. Most are assumed to be dropped there by melting ice after rains or floods push them out on the ice. Maybe during the Ice Ages there were ice sheets that lasted into spring when it's more likely there was flooding. The ice floats around while melting. Some geologists claim the winds have carved out a helluva lot lakebed sands, tens or hundreds of feet of it, piling it up in Canada Washington State, or the Great Plains. But the rocks have been left there on the surface. Some rockhounds want to call black iron oxide

All the debunking "authorities" I've ever looked at are *****eads pushing some paid agenda, so I never listen to them, either.

I think it's fun to speculate, and that's all I claim to do. Or care to do.

Anyone who claims to actually know anything is a fake scientist/religious monk trying to stop science dead in its tracks.

Amen.
 
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