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[fishonjazz]

I have said it before and I will say it again and my fellow nevertrumpers will probably feel differently than me. I dont really care about corruption that trump does. Quid pro quo with Ukraine, violating emoluments clause, putting his kids in positions that require security clearances that they shouldn't have, cheating on his taxes, etc etc. Imo being corrupt is a pre requisite for being president. And i mean that literally. I dont believe you can attain the presidency without being corrupt. Getting to that position requires that you give and accept bribes at a minimum and likely much worse.

My problem with trump is and has always been that he is embarrassing and what he has done to the mentality of the citizens of the USA by being intentionally divisive.
A few embarrassments off the top of my head (and i dont think any of these are duplicates from my previous post): He took a freaking aptitude test! The president! To prove to us that he isn't an idiot I guess? lol. Embarrassing. Throwing paper towels at people who had been devastated by a hurricane.
Thinking and saying it might be a good idea to inject disinfectant into your body.
offering up mcdonalds, wendys and burger king burgers at white house to the clemson football team.
doctoring a map with a sharpie because he incorrectly stated that a hurricane would hit an area that it was never expected and never going to hit
talking about revolutionary war soldiers storming airports.
saying that he could shoot someone in times square and his supporters would continue supporting him (who says things like that?)
saying that utahns wouldn't elect mitt romney to be a dog catcher. (dog catchers are not elected and again, who says things like that?)
If I were to use google im sure i could fill up pages and pages.

Everything he says is hyperbolic. Everything is the greatest or worst or best. He even gets his doctor to say things like trump is the healthiest person to ever be elected. I mean come on.

He does everything he can to paint democrats as evil. And that rhetoric and attitude has infected much of the country. I have posted this on here before but I will post again. My neighbor has a flag flying from his house that says Trump 2020 **** your feelings. Trump has made us rotten to each other.
Joe bagadonuts used to be one of my very favorite posters on jazzfanz. Now? Every post from him makes me like him a little less. Why? Trump, thats why. And this is happening with extreme frequency all accross the country. Friends, families, neighbors, co workers relationships are all being hurt due to trump. He encourages this type of hate all the time.

 

[lauriandres]

happening with extreme frequency all accross the country. Friends, families, neighbors, co workers relationships are all being hurt due to trump. He encourages this type of hate all the time.

Isn't it a reason to look at mirror? I.e why should somebody start hating their best friend because a POTUS or some other politician says this or that no matter which country? I can find reasons to start to hate or dislike somebody who i consider very important or is a role model for me, but the statements from the president, prime minister or some other attention-whore politician is CERTAINLY NOT a reason for that. Of course, finding that kind of friends or good neighbours or etc who are immune to political point scoring statements - that is not an easy task.

 

[porfavors]

It don't matter what side is up. They are same sides of coin

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

We know the Russians tried to help Trump in 2016. We know he openly welcomed their help, regarding Hillary, and his campaign welcomed help. “No collusion, no obstruction” became the Big Lie mantra toward Mueller, yet Manafort passed on polling data to a Russian agent, and kept his mouth shut, or lied to Mueller. Of course Manafort was helping Russia interfere in our election. We’re not stupid.

Plenty of welcoming, of understanding it couldn’t hurt. “Russia, if you’re listening....”

“Massive election fraud” became the 2020 Big Lie mantra. Only that mantra is broadcast by an American president and a domestic political party. The Republican Party, one of two major parties in the United States have now taken it a step further then Putin. Intervene in an election after the fact. A political coup.

Maybe Putin recognized a useful idiot when he saw one. Maybe they had an actual agreement. Maybe Trump was a Manchurian candidate to some degree. Maybe we’ll know some day.

Republicans recognize an autocrat they can’t say no to. The choice between supporting Trump, and thereby overturning an election described as fair and secure, including by all outside observers, or saying no to Trump, is answered in favor of undermining democracy in America.

Going forward is going to be difficult given the Republican Party’s open attack on our democracy.

And yet for some, all this goes over their head, or they find Hunter Biden, regarding whom there is an ongoing Justice Department investigation, which will reach conclusions in time, to somehow be of more pressing concern than a demagogue, (whom anybody could have recognized for what he represented the day he descended the escalator in Trump Tower, and told us what he thought of Mexicans), acting, along with his captive Party, to undermine democracy in America.

Oh, and the fact that Trump is silent on the Russian cyber attack, that appears to be the 21st century warfare version of Pearl Harbor, or as Romney said, “as if Russian bombers were flying over our country”, the fact that Trump cannot condemn that attack on our nation, this too is simply ignored by the intrepid Biden hunters. SMFH....

Your inability to see that the party you support is literally doing exactly what they have convinced you that the party you condemn is doing is stunning.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Its just backed up by what he says and does. I dont need a judge to tell me trump said grab em by the ***** trump was on tape. I dont need a judge to tell me that trump made fun of the mentally challenged. I watched him do that. I dont need a judge to tell me that trump went to a photo opp at a church so he could pose with an upside down bible while there were protests and the country was in turmoil. I watched him do that. I dont need a judge to tell me that trump downplayed the pandemic. Trump literally said he did. I dont need a judge to tell me Trump said he likes soldiers who dont get caught. Trump said that. I dont need a judge to tell me that trump disrespected the national anthem during the superbowl. I watched him do that. I dont need a judge to tell me that trump is the most egotistical person there is, i simply can go to youtube and watch a video of all the times he said he knows more about a subject than anyone.
Sure judges have come down on trump and his crew a bunch as well but I dont need them to tell me who trump is. He is a scummy childish douchebag due to his actions and his (all the best) words. And I was way ahead of the curve on this info. I have thought he was a scummy douche since way before he ran for president.
Now i will have to wait for a judge to tell me more about Hunter since I dont have the laptop and havent seen it. If it turns out that Hunter is convicted of some wrongdoing then great! I dont have any love for hunter biden. Or joe biden for that matter.

If Trump's son had written the emails that Biden's son did you would have put that at the top of your anti-Trump list because it points to easily the worst of all those accusations. Because the mainstream media is willing to ignore this obviously corrupt and disqualifying situation, you are too. They won't ignore it for much longer, though. They will soon be using it to kick him out of office so that Kamala can take his place. I'm confident that many of the same people so intent on ignoring it today (possibly you among them) will become equally committed to prosecuting the case. And the best part for all of you will be that, once you've kicked Joe to the curb, you can sanctimoniously claim that Dem's clearly care about the rule of law more than Republicans ever could. It's nauseating to watch this sort of stuff play out ad infinitum.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I have said it before and I will say it again and my fellow nevertrumpers will probably feel differently than me. I dont really care about corruption that trump does. Quid pro quo with Ukraine, violating emoluments clause, putting his kids in positions that require security clearances that they shouldn't have, cheating on his taxes, etc etc. Imo being corrupt is a pre requisite for being president. And i mean that literally. I dont believe you can attain the presidency without being corrupt. Getting to that position requires that you give and accept bribes at a minimum and likely much worse.

My problem with trump is and has always been that he is embarrassing and what he has done to the mentality of the citizens of the USA by being intentionally divisive.
A few embarrassments off the top of my head (and i dont think any of these are duplicates from my previous post): He took a freaking aptitude test! The president! To prove to us that he isn't an idiot I guess? lol. Embarrassing. Throwing paper towels at people who had been devastated by a hurricane.
Thinking and saying it might be a good idea to inject disinfectant into your body.
offering up mcdonalds, wendys and burger king burgers at white house to the clemson football team.
doctoring a map with a sharpie because he incorrectly stated that a hurricane would hit an area that it was never expected and never going to hit
talking about revolutionary war soldiers storming airports.
saying that he could shoot someone in times square and his supporters would continue supporting him (who says things like that?)
saying that utahns wouldn't elect mitt romney to be a dog catcher. (dog catchers are not elected and again, who says things like that?)
If I were to use google im sure i could fill up pages and pages.

Everything he says is hyperbolic. Everything is the greatest or worst or best. He even gets his doctor to say things like trump is the healthiest person to ever be elected. I mean come on.

He does everything he can to paint democrats as evil. And that rhetoric and attitude has infected much of the country. I have posted this on here before but I will post again. My neighbor has a flag flying from his house that says Trump 2020 **** your feelings. Trump has made us rotten to each other.
Joe bagadonuts used to be one of my very favorite posters on jazzfanz. Now? Every post from him makes me like him a little less. Why? Trump, thats why. And this is happening with extreme frequency all accross the country. Friends, families, neighbors, co workers relationships are all being hurt due to trump. He encourages this type of hate all the time.

I don't like you less, though I certainly do wish that you could see the hypocrisy of your statements. Trump's negative attitude toward liberals doesn't exist in a vacuum. His vehement support is the result of regular Americans gratitude that someone on their side of the aisle is finally willing, not only to stand up to the attacks, but to fire back. For most of my life Dem's have been using the same tired lies to hate on conservatives. For most of my life it has worked like a charm. They branded Bush stupid, and the label stuck. They called Romney sexist and racist, and his support dropped just enough that he was defeated. How predictable that, now that both Bush and Romney come out against Trump that leftists praise them as statesmanlike and virtuous.

 

[fishonjazz]

If Trump's son had written the emails that Biden's son did you would have put that at the top of your anti-Trump list because it points to easily the worst of all those accusations. Because the mainstream media is willing to ignore this obviously corrupt and disqualifying situation, you are too. They won't ignore it for much longer, though. They will soon be using it to kick him out of office so that Kamala can take his place. I'm confident that many of the same people so intent on ignoring it today (possibly you among them) will become equally committed to prosecuting the case. And the best part for all of you will be that, once you've kicked Joe to the curb, you can sanctimoniously claim that Dem's clearly care about the rule of law more than Republicans ever could. It's nauseating to watch this sort of stuff play out ad infinitum.

As for your first sentence. I have never cared what Trump's sons do. So no, Trump's sons emails would never be at the top of the list for reasons I hate trump. You do realize that Trump has family members who have written entire books that paint Trump in a negative light and yet none of that makes my lists because that is simply second hand and could be hearsay. I simply go by what trump says and does right in front of me for my list. Not emails from a family member.

Now maybe go through the things I did in fact list and let's hear how you feel about those things.

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[fishonjazz]

I don't like you less, though I certainly do wish that you could see the hypocrisy of your statements. Trump's negative attitude toward liberals doesn't exist in a vacuum. His vehement support is the result of regular Americans gratitude that someone on their side of the aisle is finally willing, not only to stand up to the attacks, but to fire back. For most of my life Dem's have been using the same tired lies to hate on conservatives. For most of my life it has worked like a charm. They branded Bush stupid, and the label stuck. They called Romney sexist and racist, and his support dropped just enough that he was defeated. How predictable that, now that both Bush and Romney come out against Trump that leftists praise them as statesmanlike and virtuous.

Again, go through the things I listed and tell me how you feel about them. The media didn't create my list. Trump did. You act as if the media covering his poor behavior is something they shouldn't do. Your act as if the media attacked trump and that created his poor behavior. I got news for you. His poor behavior came first. Way before he ran for office in fact.
No matter what trump says or does you simply blame the media. How convenient.

Remember when trump said that he could shoot someone in times square and not lose any supporters? You do realize that he is literally calling you a brainwashed idiot with that statement right? He is saying that he can do literally anything he wants and you will still love him. I'm sure he appreciates you proving that his ridiculous statement was true.

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[fishonjazz]

I am jealous of Trumpers in one regard though. They can just latch on to one scandal and really dig in and focus on it. With Hillary it was her emails. And now with Joe Biden its his emails.... Well his sons emails (emails again? You would think they could come up with something different).

For me I can't simply latch on to one trump scandal because there is always another one the very next day.


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[Gameface]

I am jealous of Trumpers in one regard though. They can just latch on to one scandal and really dig in and focus on it. With Hillary it was her emails. And now with Joe Biden its his emails.... Well his sons emails (emails again? You would think they could come up with something different).

For me I can't simply latch on to one trump scandal because there is always another one the very next day.


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[fishonjazz]

One other thing Joe. Let's say that the media I follow was constantly talking about hunters laptop and I believed what the media was telling me about his laptop.
That still wouldn't make my list of things I don't like about Joe Biden because it would be info that I got only through the media. I'm not supposed to trust the media right? Hunters emails could only make my list if hunter or Joe were on video holding up their emails and showing them to me

Look at my lists I made for trump. I didn't get these things from the media. Trump floated the idea of injecting disinfectant. I didn't get that info from the media. Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose support. I didn't get that from the media. Trump threw paper towels at hurricane victims. I didn't get that from the media. I watched trump disrespect the national anthem. The media didn't just tell me about it and I believed it. Trump said he downplayed the virus. I didn't just hear about it from the media. Trump said grab them by the ***** right on video. That wasn't the media. It was Trump.

The media told me that Trump called US soldiers losers. Notice how that didn't make my list cause I didn't hear trump say it. The media told me that Trump wanted a moat filled with snakes and alligators around the wall. I never heard trump say that so it didn't make my list.
Remember when trump said to use a nuke on a hurricane? I don't. I never heard him say that. Just heard it through the media. The media told me that a 13 year old girl has a case against trump for rape. That didn't make my list though as I can't verify that is the truth.

So why are you simply trusting the media you read and listen to? You haven't seen Joe or Hunter saying that these emails are the truth you are simply listening to what your media is telling you.

My list for Biden is that he is too old, that he is probably losing it mentally, that he sniffs people (extremely embarrassing) and he told a black guy that he isn't black if he votes for trump. (Should never say crap like that)
Biden was almost dead last in the candidates I wanted to get the nomination from the democratic party. I don't like Biden and I'm pretty sure my Biden list will grow. I do like that he at least tried to paint a picture that he will be president for all Americans rather than just democrats though. I loved to hear him speak of unity and loved that he said voting for trump doesn't make you the enemy. Wish trump would say things similar to that.
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[LogGrad98]

Your inability to see that the party you support is literally doing exactly what they have convinced you that the party you condemn is doing is stunning.

Lol I read this without seeing who wrote it and I thought someone wrote this about joe bagadonuts, not the other way around.

The delusions run deep.