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Utes 2011 Football Discussion

Part of BYU fans charm is the fact that they never know when to stop. Why you would come in and run any type of smack on a school that very recently waltzed out of Provo with a 44 point victory is just silly. You would at least think that with most fan bases, a 54-to-10 beatdown at the hands of their rivals would at least curtail the smack talk until the following season. But like I said, they just don't when to quit.

Personally, I love the fact that some BYU fans in here are obviously taking so much pleasure in Utah's struggles during their 1st year of Pac 12 play. It just proves how miserable their sad little lives are going to be in the near future when Utah is indeed competing for trips to the Rose Bowl. And yes, it will be the near future despite what the sad boys in blue will try and tell you. All QB issues aside, I think Whitt has built a team with a young, incredibally talented nucleus. As far as the QB spot goes, Wilson is a great get for the Utes but I'm sure they're not done in regards to going after they type of QB Utah simply didn't get in the past. I think every Ute fan can feel extremely confident about the direction this team is headed.

I'm sure the Rose Bowl jabs make BYU fan feel a little bit better. As Ute fans, we shouldn't begrudge them that. After all, what do they have to look forward to? Year 1 of independence doesn't seem to be working, possibly the most coveted recruit in BYU history (certainly the most hyped) is sitting on the bench because he's just not very good, it looks like BYU is going to get shut-out in regards to having a place at the table in regards to being in a big time conference, as of right now their 1 bowl tie-in sucks, they have no answer as to how they're going to fix playing nothing but WAC squads during the last month of each season, and quite frankly I think whether or not this team can survive long-term independence while managing to stay relevant on a national scale is a huge question mark to put it mildly.

Hell, taking shots at Utah is about all those poor ******** have left. Let's be the bigger men and at least let them hold on to something.
 
https://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/27577/pac-12-announcement-give-utah-a-break

A nice read today from Ted Miller who writes the PAC 12 Blog on ESPN.com

Here's a small portion of the aritcle:


.......This is not the best Utah team of the past eight or so years, and we knew that in the preseason. In fact, there was a strong whiff of rebuilding in Salt Lake, whatever conference the Utes played in, though the Utes recent success allowed for some to optimistically posit a reloading instead.

Utah is not going to get stuck in the bottom third of the Pac-12 going forward. Trust me on that.

Of course, it does need to get better, which means taking advantage of its new status living among the haves.

Said Whittingham, "We've got to keep recruiting, we've got to keep working, we've got to keep developing the guys we've already got in the program in the weight room."

So, sure, if you want to trash talk Utah, go ahead. That's what we do with each other on the Pac-12 blog.

But just don't take yourself seriously. If you actually think your team has a new conference patsy, the Pac-12 blog is here to tell you that expectations is going to let you down.
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It's nice to hear that type of opinion from somebody who doesn't have any real reason to over hype Utah's future in the PAC 12.
 
He's right. Bottom 1/3rd is a stretch. Bottom half type team year in and year out over a 10 year span? Now we're talking.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
He's right. Bottom 1/3rd is a stretch. Bottom half type team year in and year out over a 10 year span? Now we're talking.
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This year is about as bad as it gets for Utah, and they may not even finish in the bottom half this year. Over a 10 year stretch? You're crazy.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
He's right. Bottom 1/3rd is a stretch. Bottom half type team year in and year out over a 10 year span? Now we're talking.
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You're probably the worst fan on here in regards to your how you try to paint everything BYU in a positive light and everything Utah in a negative. I'm just fine with you thinking that Utah will be a constant in the bottom half of the PAC standings. You are literally dead wrong on almost every single thing you try and forecast.
 
Archie Moses said:
I think both programs are in good shape and have bright futures with, of course, some down years too.
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I disagree on that. I think years down the road we'll look back on this era as the time that BYU felt their values as a school were better served as an indepenent. I don't think there is anything wrong with BYU choosing that path. In fact, I think it's pretty admirable. However I think BYU's best shot at becoming the BYU of old that their fans expect was by doing whatever they could to get into a BCS conference. It would have helped with bowls, it would have helped with recruiting and it obviously would have helped with BCS access. All of those things become huge problems for BYU as a long term independent.
 
jazzman12 said:
I disagree on that. I think years down the road we'll look back on this era as the time that BYU felt their values as a school were better served as an indepenent. I don't think there is anything wrong with BYU choosing that path. In fact, I think it's pretty admirable. However I think BYU's best shot at becoming the BYU of old that their fans expect was by doing whatever they could to get into a BCS conference. It would have helped with bowls, it would have helped with recruiting and it obviously would have helped with BCS access. All of those things become huge problems for BYU as a long term independent.
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That's fine you think that, but I don't think their program is in any worse shape than when it was in the Mountain West. Plus, it's obvious they're trying to improve their conference and schedule and tv contracts. Not looking too terrible to me and I'm a Ute fan.
 
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Archie Moses said:
That's fine you think that, but I don't think their program is in any worse shape than when it was in the Mountain West. Plus, it's obvious they're trying to improve their conference and schedule and tv contracts. Not looking too terrible to me and I'm a Ute fan.
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Never said they're in any worse shape than they were in the MWC. However, I know if I were a BYU fan, I'd certainly want to know what the plan is in regards to better bowl games, better BCS access, and keeping pace recruiting wise now that your in-state rival has the Pac 12 name behind it. Not only that, how are they going to improve in all of those areas while not having the backing of a BCS conference? Recruiting wise, BYU will always do well with the devout LDS kids who grew up loving BYU, but let's be honest, you need more than those type of kids if you want to be considered a national program. Not only that, but in-state kids who are on the fence about going to Utah or BYU currently have a lot more reasons to choose Utah. It doesn't mean Utah will win those head-to-head battles each and every time, but how much extra ammo do you want your rival to have? If you were BYU, wouldn't it be nice to walk into a kids house who Utah is also recruiting and be able to sell him on the positives of playing a Big 12 schedule, having a Fiesta Bowl tie-in, etc?

I think these are all legit questions and I actually know quite a few BYU fans who agree with me on that. If you think BYU has a bright future, obviously that's your right. I just see too much uncertainty at this point to call it anything but a huge unknown.
 
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