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John Stockton anti vaxxer? Who would have thought.

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We sometimes idolize athletes and yet they can be dumb as ****. Not that I love Stockton the player less because of that - he has his opinion and he has a right to share it, but come on man... you are neither doctor, nor biologist.... "I did my own research".... Dumb dumb dumb.
 
Agree. So disappointing.

People have devoted their lives to this. Like 50 years of study. And literally all of their projections played out. But Stockton has done his own research - online - for months!

Let me know when a legendary immunologist tells us the best way to pass basketballs .
 

We sometimes idolize athletes and yet they can be dumb as ****. Not that I love Stockton the player less because of that - he has his opinion and he has a right to share it, but come on man... you are neither doctor, nor biologist.... "I did my own research".... Dumb dumb dumb.
Until I hear the totality of what Stockton is saying, I'm withholding judgement. The comments in the clip were about confining kids in houses, and frustration with that is a sentiment I share. I have a school aged kid and I don't know a single kid who was even hospitalized. I do know more than a dozen who tested positive, but none that had any lasting effects. I know 2 families who buried sons who took their own lives during the pandemic.

If John Stockton is anti-vaccine, then I'm 100% not on board with that, but if what he saying is that we could have done better with how we locked down kids then don't count me in with those who want to condemn him.
 
Lets get all up in arms about a former legend questioning an experimental vaccine that hasn't gone through animal testing or stage 3 clinical trials.

I do want to say, thank you to all the human guinea pigs out there. Once I know this vaccine is safe through your testing, I'll give it to my family.
 
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Lets get all up in arms about a former legend questioning an experimental vaccine that hasn't gone through animal testing or stage 3 clinical trials.

I do want to say, thank you to all the human guinea pigs out there. Once I know this vaccine is safe through your testing, I'll give it to my family.
People sometimes forget the decades of research behind the development of mRNA vaccines, and act as if the idea for them developed overnight, and that the attitude must have been “let’s try this, what could go wrong?”. I say thank god the decades of research helped paved the way for developing vaccines in the face of a true emergency situation. Millions of lives have been saved thanks to these new vaccines.



How do we know that it is really safe if the development and approval processes were so rushed?

As discussed in the last point, the development process has been underway for decades. Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech did not start from the beginning and produce vaccines in less than a year. They used the platforms they had spent years developing and perfecting, then inserted the necessary piece of genetic code and completed the design for an effective mRNA vaccine.

You can think about it this way. Once computers, operating platforms, and software were created, it was a much simpler matter to provide software updates to make small changes. However, we didn’t go from the first computers to today’s smartphones and easily installed apps and updates in just a year or two. The decades of development have brought us to the place where software is easily created and incorporated into existing platforms.

mRNA vaccines operate under a somewhat similar process. Since producing mRNA vaccines uses a process of biochemical synthesis, once the genetic code of a virus is known, the piece of mRNA needed to create an immune response can quickly be synthesized and incorporated into the existing platform to create an effective vaccine.

Approval processes were not changed for these vaccines. You can view details about the FDA’s process here and the European Union’s process here. All new vaccinations and medications go through rigorous testing, and the final steps include 3 phases of human trials. The final phase requires testing thousands of people. Moderna’s phase 3 trial included 30,420 participants, of which half received the vaccine (8), and Pfizer-BioNTech’s phase 3 trial included 43,548 participants, with just under half receiving the vaccine (9). The other half in both groups received a placebo in order to accurately compare results between the participants who received a vaccine or a placebo. Both vaccines met the requirements of safety and efficacy, with an astonishing 94.1% and 95% rate of being effective in preventing COVID-19 illness (8, 9).
 
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Lets get all up in arms about a former legend questioning an experimental vaccine that hasn't gone through animal testing or stage 3 clinical trials.
Stage 3 trials were completed before it was approved by all health authorities for it is use. Your post just shows ignorance and complete lack of understanding about the topic.
 
People sometimes forget the decades of research behind the development of mRNA vaccines, and act as if the idea for them developed overnight, and that the attitude must have been “let’s try this, what could go wrong?”. I say thank god the decades of research helped paved the way for developing vaccines in the face of a true emergency situation. Millions of lives have been saved thanks to these new vaccines.



How do we know that it is really safe if the development and approval processes were so rushed?

As discussed in the last point, the development process has been underway for decades. Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech did not start from the beginning and produce vaccines in less than a year. They used the platforms they had spent years developing and perfecting, then inserted the necessary piece of genetic code and completed the design for an effective mRNA vaccine.

You can think about it this way. Once computers, operating platforms, and software were created, it was a much simpler matter to provide software updates to make small changes. However, we didn’t go from the first computers to today’s smartphones and easily installed apps and updates in just a year or two. The decades of development have brought us to the place where software is easily created and incorporated into existing platforms.

mRNA vaccines operate under a somewhat similar process. Since producing mRNA vaccines uses a process of biochemical synthesis, once the genetic code of a virus is known, the piece of mRNA needed to create an immune response can quickly be synthesized and incorporated into the existing platform to create an effective vaccine.

Approval processes were not changed for these vaccines. You can view details about the FDA’s process here and the European Union’s process here. All new vaccinations and medications go through rigorous testing, and the final steps include 3 phases of human trials. The final phase requires testing thousands of people. Moderna’s phase 3 trial included 30,420 participants, of which half received the vaccine (8), and Pfizer-BioNTech’s phase 3 trial included 43,548 participants, with just under half receiving the vaccine (9). The other half in both groups received a placebo in order to accurately compare results between the participants who received a vaccine or a placebo. Both vaccines met the requirements of safety and efficacy, with an astonishing 94.1% and 95% rate of being effective in preventing COVID-19 illness (8, 9).
Great post
Curious what hack thinks about your post.

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When's the last phase three study that took less than a year? Let alone all four phases then to market, no way. If you're a real medical researcher, you know that's bogus.

I'm good on a vaccine that took less than a year to develop. This is the FIRST mRNA vaccine to EVER hit the market

There is no medical researcher in the country that would tell you they'd recommend anything that's lifecycle was less than a year development to market
 
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People sometimes forget the decades of research behind the development of mRNA vaccines, and act as if the idea for them developed overnight, and that the attitude must have been “let’s try this, what could go wrong?”. I say thank god the decades of research helped paved the way for developing vaccines in the face of a true emergency situation. Millions of lives have been saved thanks to these new vaccines.



How do we know that it is really safe if the development and approval processes were so rushed?

As discussed in the last point, the development process has been underway for decades. Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech did not start from the beginning and produce vaccines in less than a year. They used the platforms they had spent years developing and perfecting, then inserted the necessary piece of genetic code and completed the design for an effective mRNA vaccine.

You can think about it this way. Once computers, operating platforms, and software were created, it was a much simpler matter to provide software updates to make small changes. However, we didn’t go from the first computers to today’s smartphones and easily installed apps and updates in just a year or two. The decades of development have brought us to the place where software is easily created and incorporated into existing platforms.

mRNA vaccines operate under a somewhat similar process. Since producing mRNA vaccines uses a process of biochemical synthesis, once the genetic code of a virus is known, the piece of mRNA needed to create an immune response can quickly be synthesized and incorporated into the existing platform to create an effective vaccine.

Approval processes were not changed for these vaccines. You can view details about the FDA’s process here and the European Union’s process here. All new vaccinations and medications go through rigorous testing, and the final steps include 3 phases of human trials. The final phase requires testing thousands of people. Moderna’s phase 3 trial included 30,420 participants, of which half received the vaccine (8), and Pfizer-BioNTech’s phase 3 trial included 43,548 participants, with just under half receiving the vaccine (9). The other half in both groups received a placebo in order to accurately compare results between the participants who received a vaccine or a placebo. Both vaccines met the requirements of safety and efficacy, with an astonishing 94.1% and 95% rate of being effective in preventing COVID-19 illness (8, 9).
To piggyback onto this post:

The medical and scientific community is confident in the vaccine’s safety. While it’s true that normally vaccines take an average of 10 years to approve, this is because of several factors, most of which have nothing to do with the actual science. One obvious factor is funding - often, scientists have to look for funding after each phase in the development of a vaccine. This delays the work for years. In other words, rather than being able to pursue science, usually scientists take long pauses looking for funding. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccine, this was not an issue.

Another reason that vaccine approvals take very long is again tied to funding but in a different way. Normally, the 3 different trial phases are done one at a time, because they don’t usually have the funding to conduct them all at once. Instead, this time all three phases were done at the same time with the help of volunteers and sufficient funding. Again, this means that the end data and safety tests are exactly the same as other vaccines that have been approved.
 
I'm good on a vaccine that took less than a year to develop. This is the FIRST mRNA vaccine to EVER hit the market
You should dig deeper. mRNA vaccines been in development for years. Really, not that difficult to read reliable sources instead of watching 5 min antivaxxer youtube videos.
 
When's the last phase three study that took less than a year? Let alone all four phases then to market, no way. If you're a real medical researcher, you know that's bogus.

I'm good on a vaccine that took less than a year to develop. This is the FIRST mRNA vaccine to EVER hit the market

There is no medical researcher in the country that would tell you they'd recommend anything that's lifecycle was less than a year development to market
A. The mRNA vaccines have been in development for many years.
B. A couple of posts above show why vaccines typically take much longer than this one did to develop. Funding.

Maybe you have things backwards.

Maybe the standard time table for vaccine development should be more like it was for the covid vaccine instead of the covid vaccine should have taken way longer than necessary like vaccines of the past.

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The rare occasion where you don't want Stockton to pass something onto Malone.
 
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You should dig deeper. mRNA vaccines been in development for years. Really, not that difficult to read reliable sources instead of watching 5 min antivaxxer youtube videos.
Tell me what mRNA vaccines have made it to market?
 
This is wrong, clinical trials are four phases....the "fourth" phase in this trial is you
Ok. It's going fantastic so far.
I even got 100 bucks from my employer and I don't have to wear a mask at work anymore.
Oh and my trip to hawaii was easier because I was vaccinated too.
Never felt better in my entire life btw.

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Tell me what mRNA vaccines have made it to market?
Before COVID? None. What point you are trying to make? That we should have used old technology and done 5 years of trials and wait in lockdowns until COVID decimates humane race and economies world wide? Be happy there was tremendous amount of research, money and effort thrown into developing this amazing technology allowing life to go back to normal in most vaccinated countries.
I bet had we had old technology vaccine made available or authorized ( like the one they have in China) you would still be bitching about it.
 

We sometimes idolize athletes and yet they can be dumb as ****. Not that I love Stockton the player less because of that - he has his opinion and he has a right to share it, but come on man... you are neither doctor, nor biologist.... "I did my own research".... Dumb dumb dumb.
huffpost is ran by big pharm. They are biased
 
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50k people dead in the usa from this covid injection, seems to me the people who questioned this from day 1 were right and the rest of anti-not dropping dead like flies from a experimental product were wrong. Since u pro vaxxers worship the covid injection at the church of el-jab-o you support people that die from this product to prove your stupid azz point? you pro vaxxers have been proven wrong a million times just give it up already.
 
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