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Who is More Expendable: Clarkson or Bogey?

Who Would You Rather Trade?

  • Clarkson

  • Bogey

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It depends on the direction you’re going. If you move Bojan, then McDermott is an excellent replacement.
 
Props on a super good question here that literally has me torn in two... gonna have to think on this one.
 
Clarkson for me and it's not even close. Dude uses way too many possessions. So much dribbling and shooting and so little passing. He's an inefficient chucker...took 16 shots a game this season in only 26 minutes, shot 42.5% and 34% from 3, in the playoffs he shot 40.5% and 35% from 3. He also had a net rating in the playoffs of -7.6, only Favors and Oni were worse.

He's also 3 years younger than Bogey, makes less money per year and is the reigning 6th man of the year, so I would think he has a higher trade value. To me it's a no brainer.
 
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The case for keeping Clarkson is he is one of two guys on our roster that can actually beat a defender and create a shot. Also, Bogey is old and expensive, so if the goal is shedding some salary, Bogey helps that more.

I also think Bogey’s skillset is easier to try to replace with a cheaper player or combination of cheaper players. As someone else has mentioned, you can probably get 60% of Bogey with someone like McDermott. I also think the type of two-way players we need to add will eat into Bogey’s playing time more than Clarkson’s.

That’s how I see it. But if Clarkson gets you a better return, then sure, move Clarkson.
 
Jingled said:
Clarkson for me and it's not even close. Dude uses way too many possessions. So much dribbling and shooting and so little passing. He's an inefficient chucker...took 16 shots a game this season in only 26 minutes, shot 42.5% and 34% from 3, in the playoffs he shot 40.5% and 35% from 3. He also had a net rating in the playoffs of -7.6, only Favors and Oni were worse.

He's also 3 years younger than Bogey, makes less money per year and is the reigning 6th man of the year, so I would think he has a higher trade value. To me it's a no brainer.
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But the question was assuming a similar return. I do agree that Clarkson is the more valuable trade piece.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
But the question was assuming a similar return. I do agree that Clarkson is the more valuable trade piece.
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Right. That's why I spent my whole first paragraph giving reasons why I think Clarkson is less valuable to our team than Bogey.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
The case for keeping Clarkson is he is one of two guys on our roster that can actually beat a defender and create a shot. Also, Bogey is old and expensive, so if the goal is shedding some salary, Bogey helps that more.

I also think Bogey’s skillset is easier to try to replace with a cheaper player or combination of cheaper players. As someone else has mentioned, you can probably get 60% of Bogey with someone like McDermott. I also think the type of two-way players we need to add will eat into Bogey’s playing time more than Clarkson’s.

That’s how I see it. But if Clarkson gets you a better return, then sure, move Clarkson.
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Voted Bogey for some of the same reasons... more money so more potential savings. The question said return is equal but I think Bogey gets you more.

Bogey's biggest benefit is his spacing and shooting. He can get you some stuff in the middle and going to the basket I don't think McDermott can... but it also comes with the price of the ball sticking and he's just a bad passer. If we are going to get better I do think it has to come with a core player being switched out and not just a fringe move. I am a little hesitant because he functions so well as a role player and can occasionally ramp up his usage and get you 30 plus when you need it.

Very tough decision... I have almost talked myself out of it... can we trade them both for a great two way wing instead please?

I reserve the right to completely change my mind here... I guess if the return is the same I'd trade JC and then trade Bojan for a more versatile option if I could.
 
I get because of age and contract people might lean towards Bogey. However I think Bogey helps the Jazz win now more, I also think people forget how good Bogey was last year before his injury. Bogey also has a longer and more consistent track record compared to Clarkson.

Both players are very well liked by their teammates but I think Clarkson's "good vibe tribe" fun attitude and being a more outward personality probably has him more liked by the team as Bogey is a bit more of a quiet guy.

If the Jazz can't re-sign Conley than Bogey's scoring will be more needed (see year one of Bogey when Conley was out more and playing not as well to start the season as an example).
 
In theory, Clarkson is a bit more valuable because he can create better for himself against a switching defense. Also, the Jazz could improve its defense to make up for the loss of Bogey somewhat by adding a 3D wing with length. Clarkson is also signed for 3 more years.

Bogey is a nice catch-and-shoot shooter with size and gravity. He has enough drive and in-between game to attack a closeout or a mismatch, but I don't see him as much of a creator. Ultimately depends on coaching strategy and what you're bringing back in a trade. The Jazz love how Bogey spaces the floor. He's a great release-valve shooter, but should be seen as a 3rd option offensively.
 
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Jingled said:
Right. That's why I spent my whole first paragraph giving reasons why I think Clarkson is less valuable to our team than Bogey.
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Its just so tough though. JC is a poor man's CJ McCollum. Bogey's number 1 attribute I think we could replace... the other scoring stuff I think we'd miss some nights... but then he does nothing else really. He had a couple good defensive games against Kawhi that got me excited and then Morris proceeded to score on him whenever he wanted.

I do think that shooting and positional scarcity would help us realize a solid return on Bogey.
 
BTW, if Conley wants to go to the Lakers, the Jazz could try to work a mutual sign-and-trade for Dennis Schroeder.
 
This is a hard one for me too, but I got to go with Bogey.

Clarkson has just become too core to our identity to get rid of him. I love him in his 25 mpg role.

I also really like Bogey, but he's a starter at a position we need to go in a different direction to add defense. He's also older, and while that doesnt factor hugely into my choice, it is something.

His lack of ball-handling is annoying. He kills our rebounding in crunch time when Royce/Rudy are being isolated in the main defensive actions, he isnt holding his own to cover Utah's rebounding. It'd also be nice to have someone to help out Royce/Rudy on D.

The only problem is that it's a bit easier to find a 2-way bench guard than it is to find the 6'7+ wing defender who is versatile on offense to replace Bogey.
 
Turning Bogey into Harrison Barnes interest me, but Barnes advanced defensive stats have always been bad, even when he was on the Warriors. Not sure it's really an upgrade, but he is a bit more versatile offensively and the Jazz could take his game to the next level and *possibly* (long-shot here) into Hayward levels.
 
And IDK who would return more value, I just made it even to make the thought exercise easier.

All things considered, you have to think Bojan brings back more.
 
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