Official Rudy Gobert Trade Ideas Thread

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rudy needs to stay in the paint to be effective on defense. The clippers beat our perimeter defenders, pulled gobert 2 steps into the paint, and they kicked to his side for uncontested threes. They did it over and over and over again.

Our perimeter defenders should have manned up on the perimeter so there would be no one to kick out to and we should have relied on gobert 1 on 1 at the rim.

If we trade gobert for Gobert minus 15% and get a small ball solution at the same time while saving $100,000,000.. I would think long and hard about it. Jarret Allen and Larry Nance for Gobert makes some sense to me.

Offensively, Gobert can't punish Batum and George. As the series went on they just sent Reggie Jackson to guard Gobert and he couldn't punish him either. Definition of the lack of punishing small ball.

Gobert and Quin have work to do.

We could use more versatile pieces.

There is something to this general idea. Rudy is fine as a piece on a championship contender but at his current cap number you can’t get the other pieces that make you versatile enough to meet every type of matchup. Conley being hurt on a big deal also causes issues... so you have two key guys that can have a limited playoff impact eating up like 50% of the cap.

Jarrett Allen and Nance are solid targets if we did pivot from Rudy. Nance is really versatile. I could see the Cavs doing that... they seem like they are wanting to shortcut the rebuild right now. Might just be smoke but have heard the pick is available for a win now type of move. Issue with the deal is I don’t think Rudy can be traded until October because of the extension and Allen’s free agency will be done well ahead of that. So it’d have to be a during season trade which is a big pivot to do in season.

 

[slc]

What's up with Rudy can't be traded till October
Why would a team do that kind of contract
That seems like worst time to trade a player

 

[LoPo]

What's up with Rudy can't be traded till October
Why would a team do that kind of contract
That seems like worst time to trade a player

Because of his extension.

Depends on the team. If Charlotte completely strikes out in free agency, and they can't find a big man they want, Rudy is absolutely perfect for them in October. They have the cap space, flexibility, young assets to trade, and draft picks to make that trade worth it for both sides.

Rudy with LaMelo in the East is a really good fit.

 

[LogGrad98]

Can't trade Rudy until October but a deal could be done ahead of that, then the moves made in October if that was deemed the best for the team.

But everyone needs to be prepared for 2021 v 2.0 this next year. Doubtful the jazz make any significant moves, primarily due to the injuries, other than finding another small point guard to replace Conley when he walks. That's the jazz way.

I really hope the new ownership group has an impact on this and we get some real changes. But I doubt it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

These guys aren't "bad" for Don, but they aren't guys who support a Don led initiative.

Mike Conley

Ball dominant
Had zero history being a spot up shooter and took him over a year to really figure out that role
Not a good defender
Didn't let Don be the smallest guy on the court and worst defender

Jordan Clarkson

Simply a ball dominant scorer
Not really a spot up shooter but is okay there
If he existed to spell Don 12 minutes a game, fine. But his role, contract, everything requires him to play 24 mpg or more. He simply doesn't fit well next to Don.

Derrick Favors

We signed him to back up Rudy
We signed him to be Rudy light

I think the only guy on the team that was added due to Don Mitchell was Royce. He and Don were friends, and Don backed him to become a better NBA player. Without their friendship, would Royce have really been given a chance? Many wanted to dump him. If we had another Royce for Conley and another Royce for Clarkson and another Royce type for Favors, I argue we would be just as good for playoff basketball as with Clarkson, Favors and Conley.

I don’t think those moves were made specifically for Rudy, though. Clarkson was supposed to be a rental whose purposes were to be better than Exum and then expire. Conley is a guy that DL has targeted for years and for various reasons. Bojan was the guy that would sign. I honestly couldn’t tell you why Favors was signed besides abject laziness.

Again, I don’t think these are moves that come at the expense of Mitchell, and I think the shortcomings are that the FO is lazy.

Speaking to this idea of how to build around a player like Donovan... the only things I am sure would qualify are providing spacing and being a similar age. They certainly ****ed up the latter, but it seems the former works for all parties. If we wanted to go further, having an all-time great defensive player and efficient player helps cushion Donovan’s two biggest weaknesses.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t think those moves were made specifically for Rudy, though. Clarkson was supposed to be a rental whose purposes were to be better than Exum and then expire. Conley is a guy that DL has targeted for years and for various reasons. Bojan was the guy that would sign. I honestly couldn’t tell you why Favors was signed besides abject laziness.

Again, I don’t think these are moves that come at the expense of Mitchell, and I think the shortcomings are that the FO is lazy.

I give them credit for the JC move in that he was a more useful expiring and they got off the terrible Exum deal (that was bad on the day it was signed) for only a second.

But if anyone thinks they saw JC being this useful then you aren't really paying attention... by all accounts they were surprised. It was a little bit of luck and then they were like... I guess we gotta keep him.

 

[One Brow]

For playoff seeding, I agree with you. For the playoffs....

If we traded Rudy for two capable two-way wings, I think we have a better shot of winning a title with some luck than we do with Rudy and our current roster around him.

For the playoffs, as well. Until Mitchell becomes the guy who guards the opposition's best scorer, he's even more of a one-way player than Gobert. It's just the way most people like.

I remember watching the Suns as well as the Clippers. All their guys try to lock down on defense. There's no reason you can't have Gobert and play defense like that on the wings.

 

[LogGrad98]

For the playoffs, as well. Until Mitchell becomes the guy who guards the opposition's best scorer, he's even more of a one-way player than Gobert. It's just the way most people like.

I remember watching the Suns as well as the Clippers. All their guys try to lock down on defense. There's no reason you can't have Gobert and play defense like that on the wings.

This is kind of the problem in a nutshell. Unless the best player is a big we don't have anyone to guard the other team's best player. We ask our all-world center to guard the other team's hot shooting guard because none of our guards can.

Mitchell is basically worthless on defense to the point where we go to great lengths to cover him up, but he completely gets a pass for some reason on playing turnstile defense. I get he's bearing the scoring load but if his D were better maybe we wouldn't need the offensive heroics.

 

[LoPo]

I don’t think those moves were made specifically for Rudy, though. Clarkson was supposed to be a rental whose purposes were to be better than Exum and then expire. Conley is a guy that DL has targeted for years and for various reasons. Bojan was the guy that would sign. I honestly couldn’t tell you why Favors was signed besides abject laziness.

Again, I don’t think these are moves that come at the expense of Mitchell, and I think the shortcomings are that the FO is lazy.

Speaking to this idea of how to build around a player like Donovan... the only things I am sure would qualify are providing spacing and being a similar age. They certainly ****ed up the latter, but it seems the former works for all parties. If we wanted to go further, having an all-time great defensive player and efficient player helps cushion Donovan’s two biggest weaknesses.

Clarkson was brought in to shed Exum, but look at what it was. We traded a big defensive backcourt player for a small offensive backcourt player. Don needs a defensive counterpart in the backcourt with him. I know it wasn't made for Rudy, but Clarkson definitely wasn't traded so he can compliment Don.

After looking at all that transpired, we should have just kept Rubio and signed Bojan. We probably would have beaten Denver (we would have had Crowder and Rubio) and I think the Clippers too.

We need defensive players for the perimeter who are at least 30% 3 point shooters. It isn't easy to get those guys but it surely isn't impossible.

 

[LoPo]

For the playoffs, as well. Until Mitchell becomes the guy who guards the opposition's best scorer, he's even more of a one-way player than Gobert. It's just the way most people like.

I remember watching the Suns as well as the Clippers. All their guys try to lock down on defense. There's no reason you can't have Gobert and play defense like that on the wings.

This is nonsense. He needs to be able to defend, but......

Outside of LeBron one or two years and Kawhi one year, no title team's best player guards the other team's best player.

MJ didn't - Pippen did
Kobe didn't - Odom, Ariza, guys like that did
Steph didn't - Klay did

Superstar offensive players don't guard the opposing player's best offensive player. It's an illogical use of energy that few have ever done.

 

[UB]

Dumbassery in JF does not disappoint in the offseason

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is nonsense. He needs to be able to defend, but......

Outside of LeBron one or two years and Kawhi one year, no title team's best player guards the other team's best player.

MJ didn't - Pippen did
Kobe didn't - Odom, Ariza, guys like that did
Steph didn't - Klay did

Superstar offensive players don't guard the opposing player's best offensive player. It's an illogical use of energy that few have ever done.

MJ and Kobe were both elite defenders though. They don't guard the opposing teams best player though.