Coronavirus

[Red]

I am not saying you personally are doing all of the things, and I am not crediting you personally with making the flu season mild. I feel we are missing each other because the scope keeps switching. If we are talking about what you do yourself to lower your own risk of COVID exposure, then okay. If we are talking about aggregate societal observations or actions, then that is okay too. It is the mixing of the two that I am having trouble keeping straight.

I just brought up the fact that the flu season was very mild, at the time so many Americans were wearing masks and practicing social distancing, as suggesting those practices might have helped tamp down the flu, and, IF that were the case, would it really be unreasonable to think masking and social distancing helped where Covid spread was concerned as well?

I’m sure most Americans were not using either N95, or the somewhat less effective K95 masks. In fact, I imagine very few Americans were using N95 masks. if very few Americans were using N95 masks, yet the flu declined while many were using the far more common surgical masks, maybe those surgical masks are not so poor as to be considered useless in helping limit spread of Covid.

Granted, maybe masking with non-N95 masks, and social distancing, had NOTHING whatsoever to do with a very mild flu season. I’m no expert in that, but it’s been suggested, by medical professionals, that those practices did help tamp down the flu, or probably did so. So I’m not pulling that out of thin air, it’s been suggested by professionals. (I’m also aware that the flu is not Covid and Covid is not the flu, and I do not know how that factors in, where masking and social distancing is concerned, and where limiting spread of those 2 different diseases via masks and distancing is concerned).

I know I could be clearer, and I’m struggling a bit. Are the non-N95 masks really as useless as you seem to suggest they are? That’s all I’ve been trying to puzzle out. That’s all. I suspect they have helped, even given your example of masked students, sitting closest to an unmasked teacher with Covid, still contracting Covid. That incident may only point to the fact that no mask does a perfect job, and not to such masks being useless altogether. When I wear a common blue surgical mask, I know the seal is not perfect. It leaks if not fitted exactly. Out the top, and along the sides, the seal is usually not perfect. Maybe those students were not wearing perfectly sealed masks, while sitting closest to their teacher.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yes, strongly. It's bad for the community to release the most infectious back into it. It's bad for the medical conscience to set standards about who does and does not deserve care. It's bad for public health policy to say some people don't deserve to be treated.


I did not think you would be so callous and careless.


This policy would hurt more people than the unvaccinated.

I disagree. Those who are seriously ill with covid and have refused the vaccine should not be hospitalized at the expense of those who need operations/health care and have become vaccinated. They've had months to get vaccinated and those who have put off important medical operations and/or those who are vaccinated and need treatment should not be sacrificed for those who have acted irresponsibly during this pandemic. Freedom has consequences.

Also I didn't quite understand your response, why did you think I was joking originally? I could use some clarification.

 

[Avery]

Highest case count in Utah since January today at >2k. Pretty sad state of affairs.

 

[MVP]

Possibility of cardiomyopathy after being vaccinated.

That is not correct. Miocarditis and pericarditis are described as rare complications after mRNA vaccines - cardiomyopathy though is completely different and unrelated condition.

 

[One Brow]

I disagree. Those who are seriously ill with covid and have refused the vaccine should not be hospitalized at the expense of those who need operations/health care and have become vaccinated. They've had months to get vaccinated and those who have put off important medical operations and/or those who are vaccinated and need treatment should not be sacrificed for those who have acted irresponsibly during this pandemic. Freedom has consequences.

Your position would spread those consequences to those who did not make the decision.

Also I didn't quite understand your response, why did you think I was joking originally? I could use some clarification.

"I did not think you would be so callous and careless." I'm not sure why you think that is opaque.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are the non-N95 masks really as useless as you seem to suggest they are? That’s all I’ve been trying to puzzle out.

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet

A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.

www.nature.com

The study linked surgical masks with an 11% drop in risk, compared with a 5% drop for cloth.

The study didn't break out the rate for kids, but going by the earlier study in the pre-Delta era, the protection provided to kids from cloth masks is less than 3%.

Also, that teacher may have occasionally removed his mask but that school is a mask mandate school. The teacher and students were masked all the time, or nearly all of the time.

 

[Red]

 

[Red]

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet

A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.

www.nature.com

The study didn't break out the rate for kids, but going by the earlier study in the pre-Delta era, the protection provided to kids from cloth masks is less than 3%.

Also, that teacher may have occasionally removed his mask but that school is a mask mandate school. The teacher and students were masked all the time, or nearly all of the time.

Yes, the cloth masks seem to be the least effective.

The teacher was a woman, and she removed her mask to read to the class.

Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher infected more than half of students in class with Covid-19, CDC reports | CNN

An unvaccinated elementary school teacher who took off their mask to read to students ended up infecting more than half of them last May -- and they went on to infect other students, family members and community members, California public health officials reported Friday.

www.cnn.com

 

[Avery]

Really hoping they did this right. First was a masterpiece, second was passable, third was godawful.

 

[MVP]

Yes, the cloth masks seem to be the least effective.

The teacher was a woman, and she removed her mask to read to the class.

Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher infected more than half of students in class with Covid-19, CDC reports | CNN

An unvaccinated elementary school teacher who took off their mask to read to students ended up infecting more than half of them last May -- and they went on to infect other students, family members and community members, California public health officials reported Friday.

www.cnn.com

why the article refers to her as them ? Was it multiple teachers? What a disgrace to profession regardless....

 

[TheGoldStandard]

why the article refers to her as them ? Was it multiple teachers? What a disgrace to profession regardless....

Agree, a true disgrace to the profession.

I'm so thankful that my daughter has had very good teachers that have done everything to put kids safety first, and the pandemic has put a lot of stress and extra work on our best teachers.

We did have to move her from one class after the first day of online because the teacher was so impatient, and she made my daughter cry because she was having a hard time with the technology (turned out they gave her a faulty laptop with a mute button that was broken) but her replacement class had one of the best teachers I have ever had experience with, and took extra effort to make online learning (until they were back in person) a lot of fun. He personally helped each student make a customized avatar, made up online activities they could do as a class, gave them all a theme (they were space cadets each exploring a different part of space, which is why they weren't together). Truly made a difference for my child.

One thing about working from home, and having my child taught from home, is I could "peek in" on the class and see how good her teacher was (and how shockingly bad her day one teacher was).

So while my general perception of humans has been on a downward trend during the pandemic, I do see a beacon of home from the acts of many of our teachers, doctors and others that have worked hard to protect the sanity of our children, treated every patient with dignity and respect, including those that have chosen not to be vaccinated and have put an undue burden on our hospitals and medical providers. Kudos.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Agree, a true disgrace to the profession.

I'm so thankful that my daughter has had very good teachers that have done everything to put kids safety first, and the pandemic has put a lot of stress and extra work on our best teachers.

We did have to move her from one class after the first day of online because the teacher was so impatient, and she made my daughter cry because she was having a hard time with the technology (turned out they gave her a faulty laptop with a mute button that was broken) but her replacement class had one of the best teachers I have ever had experience with, and took extra effort to make online learning (until they were back in person) a lot of fun. He personally helped each student make a customized avatar, made up online activities they could do as a class, gave them all a theme (they were space cadets each exploring a different part of space, which is why they weren't together). Truly made a difference for my child.

One thing about working from home, and having my child taught from home, is I could "peek in" on the class and see how good her teacher was (and how shockingly bad her day one teacher was).

So while my general perception of humans has been on a downward trend during the pandemic, I do see a beacon of home from the acts of many of our teachers, doctors and others that have worked hard to protect the sanity of our children, treated every patient with dignity and respect, including those that have chosen not to be vaccinated and have put an undue burden on our hospitals and medical providers. Kudos.

genuine question the young healthy people your wife refers to getting very ill with Covid - is being overweight included in the health status ?