Thoughts on Trading Bogdanvic

[fishonjazz]

"sometimes" is very good choice of words here. we can use a guy who could play solid D "sometimes". Instead, we have guys like Bogey, JC and even Jingles who couldn't play D at anytime. so what happen when our best defender Rudy and Royce were having off nights defensively, who's gonna step up?

Actually the guys you mentioned play good defense sometimes too. Royce gets beat so so much on defense


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[KqWIN]

We’d definitely been taking serious advantage of the Pels if we swapped Bogie for Hart and nabbed a 2nd rounder. Eyeroll. But if they’re gonna expose their neck like that, then you gotta chop it off.

You’re may or may not see or agree with my arguments or reasoning. I have no idea because you always argue against things you made up yourself just like this.

 

[NAOS]

You’re may or may not see or agree with my arguments or reasoning. I have no idea because you always argue against things you made up yourself just like this.

Perhaps you’re giving yourself a tad too much credit for reasoning skills? How are you proposing we acquire Hart?

You can throw in some stats here, too

 

[KqWIN]

Perhaps you’re giving yourself a tad too much credit for reasoning skills? How are you proposing we acquire Hart?

You can throw in some stats here, too

You can read what I thought the Hart trade could look like. You asked the question already, I assumed you wanted the answer and gave it. But I guess you preferred to make up your own answer.

 

[NAOS]

You can read what I thought the Hart trade could look like. You asked the question already, I assumed you wanted the answer and gave it. But I guess you preferred to make up your own answer.

If you’ve ever proposed an actual trade, with all the moving pieces, I’m gonna need a link.

 

[NAOS]

One of my complaints with Quin has been being rigid on closing with Bogey instead of Ingles. He rarely did that last year so it surprised me when I fled got the call the other night. Some may call that sour soup but I think Ingles is damn good and as a numbers guy it’s not really close.

Gay provides us another option like Bogey if we need another scorer/shooter. Clarkson should also be seen as an option because it’s not like Bogey provides much with his size. I’m not saying Bogey should never finish games, but Ingles should be the default and it should be an open decision night to night.

As far as Bogey being overpaid, I don’t think he necessarily is either. He would get paid if he was on the open market. I do think his reputation exceeds his value, however, but that reputation holds true in a trade discussion.

I think Roco is seen in a similar light around the league and he got two firsts in a trade. I think Bogey might be able to yield the same if there’s buyer. I keep looking at NOP as a team ready to make a desperate and bad move. If we can get Hart and some picks I’d be for it.

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[NAOS]

I'm not about to overreact to a few games....but I've also been thinking this trade is overdue. I was hoping something would happen during the off-season. The Jazz have more than enough scoring on this roster while also having significant needs.

I would agree with others that making a trade is difficult, but it's something we should be looking for. As far as realistic targets, I think Josh Hart stands out the most. I understand the reservations about him. Bogey is a better player than him, but I think we could get Hart and come away with some draft capital too. Huge tax savings too if you care about a billionaires wallet.

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[NAOS]

Both of those suggest moving Bogie for Hart. And there’s a suggestion getting some picks, too. Like, more than one. Not happening.

There’s also the suggestion that we take advantage of NOP because they’re crazy.

I hardly see how this all squares

 

[NAOS]

We’d definitely been taking serious advantage of the Pels if we swapped Bogie for Hart and nabbed a 2nd rounder. Eyeroll. But if they’re gonna expose their neck like that, then you gotta chop it off.

You said I made this up. Sounds pretty ****ing close to me. You’re dodging.

 

[jom2003]

I just got a new mechanical keyboard and I'm totally geeked out about typing on it. I appreciate you for giving me the opportunity to restate my reason, rational, and evidence several times over and over. It is circular when you present your rationale, which is informed by statistics and a logical thought process, and it is met with something along the lines of "you're a downer" or "you haven't watched" because that's not a real counter argument and doesn't add anything to discussion.

Josh Hart's toughness might be the most defining aspect of his game. He guards everyone, rebounds better than most bigs, and no matter who he's guarding he adds a lot to the defense. Certainly an upgrade on defense over Bogey/Clarkson who he would be replacing. I think that defensive upgrade would be worth it when compared to the offensive loss. I would be extremely confident in our offense if we moved on from one of those scorers. Bad timing after last nights game, but this team has proven their ability to score a man down.

Larry Nance isn't having a good time in Portland right now either and there may be a way to trade for him.

 

[KqWIN]

You said I made this up. Sounds pretty ****ing close to me. You’re dodging.

If you can show me the post where I said it would be Hart and a 2nd rounder I will give you one billion dollars. If you are having a hard time finding when I actually answered I'll give you a hint....maybe look at the reply when you asked the question. I promise it's not in your imagination like the 2nd round suggestion. Maybe the reason why you have such a problem with me is that make things up that I never said and convince yourself that your made up truth is actually real.

You know what....to save you some sanity I willl direct link it to you https://jazzfanz.com/threads/thoughts-on-trading-bogdanvic.156088/post-2092757

 

[NAOS]

I don't really understand the Hart argument. Are we defining a players fit by what we arbitrarily label as their position? What makes Hart a guard and Bogey/Clarkson a wing? Or do you have it the other way around? That label doesn't mean a thing, what matters is how they play. Hart is a big time grinder and competes on defense. He gets more rebounds than Clarkson/Bogey combined. He fits the need and trade concept fairly well as a valuable low usage player. His versatility and ability to fit into any of our lineups is a selling point to me.

Anderson has been a favorite of mine for years and yes, I have watched him play. Numerica seems to like him as well, maybe you should ask him if he's actually watched him play. You see, that argument doesn't really mean anything. I could just as easily say that anyone who thinks Anderson is overrated has little experience watching him play. It means nothing. You don't get make up reasons for another person to like/dislike a player, especially when they are not true and you have no clue if it's true. Anderson did have quite the offensive jump last season which is a reason why I really wanted him this summer, but throughout his entire career he's been a value low usage player and great defender.

Roco, I'm not too high on him myself, but he is the right idea as a player. I don't think he has been available or will be. HH mentioned a scenario where the Blazers trade CJ for Ben and that opens up a logical swap, and I could see that happening. I would do that trade if it was presented, but that's a real outlier scenario IMO.

The most realistic trade is for Hart. NOP is primed to make a terrible move and taking advantage of desperate, bad FO's is a huge market ineeficiency. I would move Bogey or Clarkson for Hart and he should come with extra sweetners. I don't think draft capital is a priority, but it's never a bad thing and you never know when we are going to overpay for another C. I think we could get Hart and at least one 1st. They have a whole mess of picks to make that trade work. Will it happen? Probably not, I don't think the FO is considering moving Bogey or Clarkson. I don't think the FO is looking to make any move, but that doesn't stop people from suggesting moves they think can help the team.

Yeah, that’s not a complete trade suggestion. We’re getting an undisclosed number of picks.

And the suggestion that I went off the rails by saying a 2nd instead of a 1st, is just straight up ridiculous.