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gandalfe said:
That's certainly part of it. To be honest, her voice itself annoys me, so I just read what she says and cheer her on.
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The Democratic party doesn't like her. She tried to unseat Schumer, she doesn't support others in the party outside of the Squad, which is why she doesn't get support for any of her bills.

I'm all for a much broader safety net and making more opportunities to bring our poor out of poverty, but I'm definitely not the AOC kind of socialist.
 
Safetydan said:
Nah dude, I'm talking about ****ing reality. I know exactly why people outside my "bubble" hate the Democratic party and IDGAF because they're buying into right-wing propaganda when they, Like yourself, spout talking points straight from The Daily Wire. I hate the democratic party too bro, but, at least, I have a solid grasp as to why.

The post above is a fantastic example of the brain rot that afflicts this country. When right-wing propagandists have their hooks so deeply into you that you think that the Left is simultaneously to blame for

1. Pushing culture-war ******** to the forefront of media discourse
2. The party faction responsible for not getting things done for working-class Americans.

In the video you posted, Andrew Yang is talking about the real reason that Democrats aren't more loved is that you can't point to a single substantive thing they've done to improve the lives of the average working-class American. He's ****ing right. However, It blows my mind that you think this is somehow the left's fault when fighting for the real material improvement of the conditions of the working class is their primary goal. That's what they're trying to do.

You've fundamentally misread what is the left is striving for. You're over here with AY asking why the democrat party hasn't done anything and you buy into the right-wing propaganda, hook, line and sinker. Leftism is actually vilified because they threaten the power structures that exist today. Find me an actual leftist media person that strongly advocates for something like the decommodification of housing or other radical ideas that has the financial backing of billionaire money.

As is implicated by your post, if you actually want what Andrew Yang wants, you should be pushing for leftism.
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Andrew Yang quite literally left the Democratic Party because of moron leftists like yourself. I can promise you Yang sides much closer to me than he does you lmao. What you never see Yang do: call everything white supremacy, everyone who disagrees with him white supremacists , and never forwarded moronic ideas like abolish or defund the police. He quite literally ripped into it and advocated for more police. Nah, the guy who left the party realizes how stupid leftists are and knows how damaging they have been to the party. This isn’t about policy, this is about what leftists are most interested in and it’s not policy. It is playing culture wars, calling everything white supremacy, and advocating for abolishing police and whatnot. All stupidity that people have grown tired of. As I said, had the driver of the car in Wisconsin bend white people like yourself would be screaming white supremacy all week because you’re predictable hacks.
 
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Dkeaton024 said:
Andrew Yang quite literally left the Democratic Party because of moron leftists like yourself. I can promise you Yang sides much closer to me than he does you lmao. What you never see Yang do: call everything white supremacy, everyone who disagrees with him white supremacists , and never forwarded moronic ideas like abolish or defund the police. He quite literally ripped into it and advocated for more police. Nah, the guy who left the party realizes how stupid leftists are and knows how damaging they have been to the party. This isn’t about policy, this is about what leftists are most interested in and it’s not policy. It is playing culture wars, calling everything white supremacy, and advocating for abolishing police and whatnot. All stupidity that people have grown tired of. As I said, had the driver of the car in Wisconsin bend white people like yourself would be screaming white supremacy all week because you’re predictable hacks.
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Yeah, I think we're done here. My post stands.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
The Democratic party doesn't like her. She tried to unseat Schumer, she doesn't support others in the party outside of the Squad, which is why she doesn't get support for any of her bills.

I'm all for a much broader safety net and making more opportunities to bring our poor out of poverty, but I'm definitely not the AOC kind of socialist.
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I think you can dislike AOC, criticize the minutiae of how she chooses to go about advancing her values, and also still be a leftist or at least sympathetic to the cause.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
AOC said the unemployment rate was low because of 2 factors. The fact checkers at Politifact said those 2 factors do not figure in to the unemployment rate. Either AOC didn't know, or she did know and was lying in an effort to misdirect. Either way, the words that came out of her face regarding the unemployment rate were wrong.
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Are you really claiming that you don't understand the difference between "this is how X is calculated" and "these are the reasons this measurement is low"? I figured I had at l had at least been interacting with a moderately intelligent partisan. I'm going to assume this is some odd blindness as opposed to genuine stupidity.

Al-O-Meter said:
I'm aware of the exact words she used, but the argument you are making is predicate on AOC being too stupid to understand how to form a coherent argument.
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"These people are not usually charged, so there is no reason to use these charges to separate families" is a coherent argument.

Al-O-Meter said:
AOC's argument only makes sense if she believes they weren't apprehended for breaking the law.
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For decades in this country, we held undocumented families seeking asylum families together instead of splitting them up. Her argument makes perfect sense in the context of a cruel, unnecessary change in this policy.
 
Dkeaton024 said:
LMAO the kind of delusion only extremism could bring you to convince yourself of.
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Quotes by you:

"Leftists are horrible agenda and narrative driven people who lie and twist every chance they get to further their agenda and narratives." "Leftists are morons." "Or maybe there’s just a lot of people out there who can see how twisted and deranged leftists are." "Leftists are nut jobs who should be blamed for plenty."

The reason I said you clearly do not treat people with respect and acceptance is that you clearly do not, at least here in JazzFanz. You should own that, or change. Denying it just makes you look even worse.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Love that guy.
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Yeah, he's pretty good. He has a good mix of more serious stuff like this and then videos of lawyer jokes or breaking down the legal realities of things like movies such as Idiocracy. One of my favorite YT channels. He also does a bit of dramatized historical true crime.
 
The Thriller said:
I can't help but to think that a big reason why many on the right hate AOC is because she's so attractive. If she had been a 60 something overweight white dude with the same beliefs, I don't think we'd see near the vitriol. Just my opinion.
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Not even an opinion, she wouldn’t have been elected in that district with those parameters. I like her, she’s built a platform as a bit of a far left candidate. The difference is that the left hasn’t let the extremists take over their party like the Trump cuks.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, he's pretty good. He has a good mix of more serious stuff like this and then videos of lawyer jokes or breaking down the legal realities of things like movies such as Idiocracy. One of my favorite YT channels. He also does a bit of dramatized historical true crime.
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He's really good. I've also been enjoying a bunch of Simon Whistler's channels, notably Into the Shadows.
 
Hmmm

Will he blame his lawyers for this picture also for this? We all know what Trump represents to the reactionary forces who hate our democracy, attempted to overturn the last election, and want nothing more than to restore their white male hegemony to our political and social structure.

Whether Kyle intended this or not, how does this look? How do we think this is going to be interpreted by the RW and its media? How will this be interpreted by those “very fine people” who are itching for more white vigilantism?



His actions speak a lot louder than his words…
 
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TheGoldStandard said:
His lawyers would have told him not to admit to any wrongdoing, as there is still the potential for civil action against him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, at least compared to the people he shot. This case went the way I thought it would.

Now the Arbery case, if at least two of those guys aren't convicted, I do expect uproar. I have a hard time charging the neighbor with murder when he supposedly didn't know the other two had guns and was following and recording, but I haven't been following close enough to know if there are other details regarding the neighbor's actions that put him in a worse light.
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Yeah those guys are toast. Of the most recent BLM reaction points, this case and the Elija McLean case stand out as the most blatantly racially motivated in my mind. Broad daylight and the elder McMichael calls 911 to report a black man running down his street. Really gives us a glimpse of the still segregated Georgia. All Arbery did was run past his house for Pete’s sake and he tells his son to grab the shotgun!!! I mean I know about the construction site (Arbery assumed to be casing it) and the citizens arrest law in effect but what a bunch of redneck busy bodies. Stupid and racist is a lethal combination! They deserve what they get, even Bryan IMO.
 
One Brow said:
Are you really claiming that you don't understand the difference between "this is how X is calculated" and "these are the reasons this measurement is low"? I figured I had at l had at least been interacting with a moderately intelligent partisan. I'm going to assume this is some odd blindness as opposed to genuine stupidity.
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I suppose Politifact and all of math could be wrong but I'm going with the idea that you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics to explain away the obvious and doing your best to stick the landing.
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One Brow said:
"These people are not usually charged, so there is no reason to use these charges to separate families" is a coherent argument.
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That isn't what she said and no it isn't a coherent argument because that would be granting prosecutorial powers the officers do not have. Their job is to enforce the law. If AOC doesn't like the laws the officers are enforcing then maybe she should hold responsible the body who makes the laws in this country. I'm sure there is a mirror somewhere in her office.
 
Still trying to wrap my mind around all the controversy in the Rittenhouse case, people continually referencing numerous media-driven inaccuracies (if not outright lies) that are cleared up with even a modicum of understanding of the case or watching any amount of the trial, and the implication of white supremacy, particular for anyone not supporting conviction, but then near silence on the Arbery case. Three convictions, and virtually nobody on any side supporting those guys. Instead of attention on the murder convictions of three white guys who chased down and killed a black guy, we instead get the focus on a kid where the owners of a minority-owned business asked a group for help to protect their business that was set on fire the night before by largely-white rioters. Two white people were shot in what was determined by the courts to be self-defense, but all of the focus was on that trial and what they believed it said about white supremacy.
 
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