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They said today that 30% of cases in Utah are now Omicron. I think it will be a good thing for all of us if it quickly chokes Delta out. It will be interesting to see how the holidays go.

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They said today that 30% of cases in Utah are now Omicron. I think it will be a good thing for all of us if it quickly chokes Delta out. It will be interesting to see how the holidays go.

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Yes please

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That is as fake news as fake news gets. Here is the UK data allegedly appearing "no less severe".

CASES:
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DEATHS are actually declining in the UK during the Omicron case spike!!!!!
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Omicron may present as milder, and that sure helps, but it’s so easily spread, people will be hospitalized, and one of the problems will be hospital staffing….


RI has the highest infection and hospitalization rates at the moment, and that staffing problem is pretty bad…

 
RI has the highest infection and hospitalization rates at the moment
No they don't. Hospitalizations are roughly half of what they were during the peak of delta, and they are currently declining as Omicron snuffs out Delta.

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That letter claiming crisis isn't about the dangers of Omicron at all. It is a written demand for a pay raise. I think they should get a pay raise. Thanks to irresponsible monetary policy we now have high inflation and a national labor shortage.

From your linked article:
People are leaving emergency department jobs for ... low pay even compared to neighboring states. Some nurses have left for lucrative travel jobs that they can do while still living in Rhode Island

...staffing problem that predates even the coronavirus pandemic in Rhode Island, problems that can be traced to comparatively low Medicaid reimbursements in Rhode Island
 
No they don't.
Well, we did not too long ago. The CDC issued its highest warning for Rhode Island. I imagine the numbers are always in flux, but we are among the very worse states at the moment, by virtually any measure.

BTW, I think the staffing issue is nationwide, and will make any increase in hospitalizations, which should increase simply by virtue of the increase of infections from an omicron surge, more problematic. I believe that was the warning contained in the letter from RI emergency room physicians. I do not believe, as you claim, that the issue in the letter was simply lack of pay raises fueling staffing shortages. I’m pretty sure the letter was aimed to convey what severe staffing shortages in my state may mean in terms of the resultant severity of any Omicron fueled surge. You seem to think Covid was not a concern on the letter writer’s mind. I think that was the concern. Of course hospital staffing is a nation wide concern, not just Rhode Island, and it’s related to issues beyond the pandemic. But, in the immediate sense, surges and hospital staffing is the issue here, not pay scales.



 
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No they don't. Hospitalizations are roughly half of what they were during the peak of delta, and they are currently declining as Omicron snuffs out Delta.

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That letter claiming crisis isn't about the dangers of Omicron at all. It is a written demand for a pay raise. I think they should get a pay raise. Thanks to irresponsible monetary policy we now have high inflation and a national labor shortage.

From your linked article:
Crisis is not just about hospitalizations, it is about the resources patients take up due to the severity of those hospitalizations. There are limited ventilators for example. Our hospital always had plenty of bed space, but was down to one spare ventilator at the peak of Delta wave, and that was using alternative means for some patients already to try and conserve vents for those that needed them the most. Not ideal.

As the chart you posted shows, comparing Dec 13 20 to Dec 13 21, the percentage of patients on ventilators is more than double now with the current wave. Despite only 302 hospitalizations vs 491 in 2020, there are more patients on ventilators (33 of 302 currently and 30 of 491 in 2020).

The simple fact is there are a number of variables that come into play that will determine how bad this wave is. With the peak of Delta, based on other data I have posted in this thread, the large number of Americans have been vaccinated or had the virus already (unfortunately no good crossover data I could find to show virus exposure to only unvaccinated people). But based on estimates of virus that go undetected based on numerous studies, and current vaccination rates, it would be reasonable to say 80% of the population has had COVID or the vaccine(s). The vaccines, particularly those boosted, are showing a lot of protection. Those that had the virus are showing some protection, but it is unclear how much as we are too early into this to have good data.

I would expect and hope that even with a large number of breakthrough cases with Omicron due to its spike protein mutations, that most people that get it will have mild symptoms due to the number of Americans already exposed or vaccinated. I also expect the number of hospitalizations vs total infected to drop, but the severity of hospitalizations as we are currently seeing are actually worse based on early data.

The idea that Omicron is somehow safer for unvaccinated is a wishful thought at this point, and early data is not supporting it. We are seeing more severe cases for those hospitalized, and there is unfortunately a good probability that Omicron may still overwhelm our health systems limited resources (not just beds).
 
No they don't. Hospitalizations are roughly half of what they were during the peak of delta, and they are currently declining as Omicron snuffs out Delta.
Why do you misinterpret me? Is it deliberate? And removing omicron as a rationale for the letter. You think she sends that letter if there were no Covid pandemic? Of course the letter results from the pandemic, and of course it is being written with a possible omicron surge in the midst of a understaffed health care dystem, esp. emergency rooms, in mind.

I did not say RI has the highest infection and hospitalization rate since the Pandemic started in this country. I said: “Rhode Island has the highest infection rate and hospitalization rate AT THE MOMENT”. Do you understand the difference between “at the moment”, and “since the beginning of the pandemic”? Because I never said the latter. As of very, very recently, within the past couple of weeks, RI had the highest infection rate per capita and the highest hospitalization rates per capita, in the United States. This was reported on all three major networks.

For some reason, you look for ways to twist what I wrote to suit you. But I did not say we had the highest rates EVER, since the start of the pandemic, and one would have to be very dense not to understand the letter from the emergency room physician was written with a possible omicron surge in mind. Without Covid, that letter would not have been sent just at that time.
 
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Of course hospital staffing is a nation wide concern, not just Rhode Island, and it’s related to issues beyond the pandemic.
^^ THIS ^^

The nationwide labor shortage across a broad range of industries is due to issues beyond the pandemic. They are government created issues. Omicron is being hyped not because it is dangerous. It is no more dangerous than the common cold. Omicron is being hyped because it makes a convenient bogeyman. The most pressing issues we face right now as Americans are those caused by government action and inaction, not by Omicron which is looking statistically beneficial to our society as it outcompetes the more deadly Delta.
 
As of very, very recently, within the past couple of weeks, RI had the highest infection rate per capita and the highest hospitalization rates per capita, in the United States. This was reported on all three major networks.
Do you understand that points to RI being bad and not Omicron being bad?
 
My friend broke her ankle in a fall yesterday. They stabilized her foot and sent her home to await surgery, maybe sometime next week. Holidays and full hospitals.

Leaders ask for COVID-19 precautions as southern Utah hospital is over capacity



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Garbage. The South African dataset conclusively disproves the truth of your statement.
Garbage? No, your thoughts on Covid are the only thing that are garbage in this thread. WHO says they need at least 3 more weeks to determine if Omicron is less severe. And early studies are not finding evidence that Omicron is less severe:




The study finds no evidence of Omicron having lower severity than Delta, judged by either the proportion of people testing positive who report symptoms, or by the proportion of cases seeking hospital care after infection, the authors of the study said. This same study found that protection from past infection of other variants provides as low as 19%, which is really not good. Those without a booster also have very little protection. And those with a booster, protection against infection was only 55-80%.

Experts agree that the South African data is anecdotal/not conclusive. Over 80% of the small group tested was under age 50, which they attribute to the high vaccination rate in S. Africa for the population over 50. The majority of unvaccinated in S. Africa that have contracted Omicron are also young, which tend to have mild cases of any variant. There is limited data to show the impact against the usual demographics that Covid hits the most, which is over 55 and/or health compromised.

If anything, the South African data has shown that Omicron spreads much faster and the mRNA vaccines appear to be somewhat effective against hospitalization/severe disease, as the large majority of Omicron patients (with current limited data) are unvaccinated.


The morbidity factor (not just death) is also unknown, so we don't know how the impact will be here.

Even if "less severe", which early data is inconclusive, the fact that we will see a lot of breakthrough infections likely means we may be worse off that we were at the start of the pandemic in regards to having our hospitals overwhelmed.

I'm hoping (but not optimistic) that the vaccinations and prior infections end up providing more protection than what early data from the UK shows.
 
Garbage? No, your thoughts on Covid are the only thing that are garbage in this thread.
It is not just my thoughts. I'm guessing you didn't see the latest from Dr. Fauci addressing the South African dataset.

Yes there is one Imperial College study, that has NOT passed peer review, being cited by flat-earth science deniers in the 'Govern Me Harder Daddy' crowd. The real world data out of South Africa shows that completely unvaccinated people with an Omicron infection had far lower hospitalization and mortality rates than did the unvaccinated against prior strains of wild type, beta, and delta. Fauci's explanation for the data is that he believes it is possible a large portion of those unvaccinated in South Africa has previously been infected by another strain and so had preexisting immunity which would explain why the unvaccinated in South Africa fared so well with Omicron infections.

Fauci may be correct. I certainly don't know of any data to contradict him. Preexisting immunity from prior infection may be the explanation but to deny reality in the data of the unvaccinated in South Africa puts you in a dubious camp of science deniers. Your statement is so bad that it can't even be chalked up to ignorance of the South African data because to believe your statement requires that you believe natural infection confers no immunity at all and the ONLY way to have any protection is through the vaccine. Your garbage statement relies on a binary of vaccinated or unprotected, and doesn't allow for Dr. Fauci's reasoning to explain the South African data.

Enjoy your Imperial College computer model "study" falsified by the current mortality statistics in the UK.
 
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“Govern me harder daddy” crowd?

What crowd is that? The ones who demand farm subsidies? The ones who demand bailouts when trade wars make their crops impossible to sell? The ones who demand we spend 5x as much in defense as the 2nd place country (China)? The ones who demand that government keep its hands off their Medicare? The ones who elected a strongman because the free market automated their jobs away? The ones who don’t want anymore elections because thinking and persuasion is too hard? The ones who demand that libraries don’t offer offensive books? The ones outlawing private business from making decisions? The story below is happening Here in Utah:



The sooner we adults get over this binary “one side wants government to govern harder” 4th grade talking point, the better off we will all be.

People want solutions. Right now Covid has for two years been a major disruption in the lives of billions. America will be coming up shortly on 1 million people dead. Each person leaves behind a family and friends. Thousands more suffer from long Covid. If instituting “govern me harder” policies like vaccine mandates and vaccine passports ends this pandemic, then so be it. We need solutions, not anymore of this childish “I want muh freedom without any responsibility” talk
 
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