Coronavirus

[Gameface]

Have you not been paying attention the past year? Pharmaceutical pain reliever drugs are nearly impossible to have prescribed.

I haven't tried to get any heroin pills lately, no.

 

[One Brow]

You better be real specific when talking about accusing someone of lying mate. It reflects very very poorly on you.

Your concern for my reputation is so very kind of you.

A lot of this is not a binary issue, there are so many variables.

True.

Why is there so little credit given to natural immunity post Covid when it has always been granted with other diseases ??

Describe the types of credit you feel should be given that are not.

Boosters given so frequently goes against the prinicples of vaccination established for years and years.

I already take an annual flu booster. Why does every six months violate a principle, and every year does not?

Does it not concern you that in one year we've gone from statements that the vaccine will give you 100 % protection against infection and transmission,

Statements by whom? I don't recall the CDC or similar authorities claiming there would be 100% protection against infection and transmission. When you make statements like this, it really lessens the risk to my reputation should I choose to say you are lying, and I know how concerned you are about my reputation.

And i think there is a very good chance at least here and in other parts of the world that once this wave is finished the serious part of the pandemic may be over.

So far, I haven't heard of any new variants on the horizon, and that is good news.

As an exercise .. these are some of the things said in our federal governments statement regarding vaccinating 5-11 year olds. Keep in mind that here there has only been ONE child in that age group die with Covid throughout the whole pandemic and that poor kiddie had terminal cancer.

In the US, among the 46 states that report mortality by age, only 4 states have reported no child deaths.

COVID-19

Resources for health care clinicians and communities on COVID, including prevention of COVID through immunization.

www.aap.org

Of course, there are other comorbidities as well.

"The risk of myocarditis or pericarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in children aged 5-11 years is not yet known but appears to be rare based on preliminary data from US surveillance networks. While early reporting in children aged 5-11 years in the United States suggests a very low rate of myocarditis following first and second doses, further data are expected in the coming weeks"

What the hazard ratio in myocarditis following a vaccine versus following a covid19 infection?

So now there is a big push to vaccinate kids in this age group at the moment. Does reading this give you any cause for concern .. ?? Given that one of the basic principles of medicine is "first do no harm" I also find your complete dismissal of vaccine injuries / reactions to be a little flippant and to be frank a little lazy

Fair enough. I find your ignorance of child deaths in the US to be callous and uneducated. Further, I find your comparison of vaccine injuries to only people who get neither vaccine nor disease, as opposed to those who get the disease, to be bordering on antivax propaganda.

There is clearly an issue with a very small percentage of young men developing cardiac reactions and i know for a fact talking to medical colleagues that there is a concerted push from the government health departments here to play it down.

This would be as opposed to no cardiac issues with unvaccinated young men who acquire covid19?

I do agree about the mass media though btw. I don't see any integrity in reporting. Across the spectrum of political leanings.

To be clear, I don't see you as being an unreasonable person, just a bit of a contrarian.

 

[gandalfe]

My adult son who lives with me just tested positive. I've scheduled my test for tomorrow, but, luckily I work for a health care organization so they're very aggressive about quarantining. I would take (at least) a week off anyway even if they weren't so strict about it, but this means I don't have to use my PTO for it.

The only symptoms I have currently are psychosomatic.

 

[lauriandres]

When i was at the secondary school (when my age was between 15-18), then at first year (Estonia still belonged to USSR at that time) we had a special class (twice a week, one 45 minute session), called "How to protect your country". Mainly it was about warfare, how guns operate, the difference between anti personnel and anti tank mine, different chemical gases used in military conflict, medical help etc etc. Our teacher was about 50 years old and had of course strong USSR military background and was also a good wrestler and in general in pretty good shape (i.e able to beat students in gymnastics and decent in volleyball, too). I do not remember the exact topic, but i remember that he told us that in certain (bad) condition it is actually useful to drink your own urine. Probably was related to somekind of chemical or radiation poisoning or situation used in military warfare.

 

[Red]

Far-right extremists look to bring vaccination opponents into their fold

Far-right extremist influencers and leaders have increasingly jumped onto the anti-vaccination bandwagon since COVID-19 took a deadly grip on the U.S.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

the exaggeration you selected would have no outsized impact on the pandemic in the United States.

I never said it would. The outsized impact is on the trust the people put into institutions because they can see that institutions lie.

As far as people trusting the Presidential elections, that has been a drum I've been beating from the very beginning. Claiming that elections are illegitimate for this reason or that is standard operating procedure. That goes for claiming Russian influence on the 2016 election. It goes for Stacey Abrams claiming she was the rightful governor of Georgia. It goes for Trump and the 2020 election. It goes for the claims being made by a large number of Democrats, including Biden, of all future elections being illegitimate if the voting rights act isn't passed. All of it is the same lie and everyone telling this lie should be condemned for it.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This is so ****ing dangerous and irresponsible. Watch the entire 2 mins

 

[FalseFlagg K]

and people not taking pain pills when in pain aren't dying or being hospitalized. People who aren't getting vaccinated are. I still know people who aren't vaccinated so they aren't being forced and besides there were anti vaxxers before any kind of mandate and even before covid. I had a co worker say that he wouldn't put that crap in his body right after the vaccines were announced and he smokes 2 packs of smokes a day lol.

then he's just a dickhead

There's actually a bunch of vaccinated people being hospitalized here. Again, the risks are so far and away age, health status .

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Your concern for my reputation is so very kind of you.


True.


Describe the types of credit you feel should be given that are not.


I already take an annual flu booster. Why does every six months violate a principle, and every year does not?


Statements by whom? I don't recall the CDC or similar authorities claiming there would be 100% protection against infection and transmission. When you make statements like this, it really lessens the risk to my reputation should I choose to say you are lying, and I know how concerned you are about my reputation.



So far, I haven't heard of any new variants on the horizon, and that is good news.


In the US, among the 46 states that report mortality by age, only 4 states have reported no child deaths.

COVID-19

Resources for health care clinicians and communities on COVID, including prevention of COVID through immunization.

www.aap.org

Of course, there are other comorbidities as well.


What the hazard ratio in myocarditis following a vaccine versus following a covid19 infection?


Fair enough. I find your ignorance of child deaths in the US to be callous and uneducated. Further, I find your comparison of vaccine injuries to only people who get neither vaccine nor disease, as opposed to those who get the disease, to be bordering on antivax propaganda.


This would be as opposed to no cardiac issues with unvaccinated young men who acquire covid19?


To be clear, I don't see you as being an unreasonable person, just a bit of a contrarian.

your call, fair enough.. I think you are often deliberately facetious/quietly sarcastiic particularly with those you disagree with. Which i enjoy.

so .. couple of points with tongue partly in cheek but maybe not ? the graph attached Natural immunity deniers really need to retract their ... lies dare i say ? In the light of this CDC data how can any thinking person argue that someone like Novak Djokovic shoud be vaccinated after already having Covid ? The difference is so negligible that you can't possibly rationally argue that someone who's had Covid has to be vaccinated.

Flu boosters have been around for how many years, tested for how long ? And the known rate of serious adverse reactions ?? Now we're being mandated after 3 months here in a lot of sectors. Again the flu shot / Covid booster Not the same, the flu shot is not being used under emergency authorisation, the manufacturers are not legally responsible for reactions, nobody is being mandated to take a flu shot. This sort of answer makes you look like you're either being argumentative for the sake of it or just pulling examples to prove your pre conceived bias.

I have heard Joe Biden, and other politicians particularly early in the piece specifically say "you will not get Covid" if you are vaccinated. And the messaging from our governments here was very much firstly "you won't get it" to then "you cannot spread it" etc etc. Pfizer reported 100 % efficacy in it's early trials as a starting point. If you are going to argue that the goal posts have constantly shifted about the claims of the vaccine .. then well again see above.

Children .. in Australia over the course of the pandemic ONE child aged 5-11 has died with Covid. That poor soul had terminal cancer. So yes here zero mortality in this age. You yourself have just acknowledged comorbidities which i have always said "in healthy children" I consider kids being overweight a comorbidity for Covid so let me make that clear, and i can only assume how poor the health of the average american kid is and how overweight so many are. So again .. see above.

Myocarditis you're right i do need to look into in more detail. I know from speaking to Doctor friends that they say it is very underreported. I'd find it astonishing if you don't think pharmaceutical companies haven't had an influence in sweeping adverse reactions under the carpet. I dare say in time this will be understood better. I am certainly coming from the point of view that "first do no harm" is really important You would have a different starting point of accepting a certain amount of collateral damage in order to achieve a certain outcome ?


I certainly don't see you as being unreasonable. I think if you're honest you'd have to consider that you start with your own strong opinions and try to at least to a degree see things that support those unless it's quite clear you're wrong. As we all do.

 

[Deleted member 365]

then he's just a dickhead

There's actually a bunch of vaccinated people being hospitalized here. Again, the risks are so far and away age, health status .

No actually, Facts matter





Want to avoid infection, hospitalization, or possible death? Get vaccinated and boosted.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I have heard Joe Biden, and other politicians particularly early in the piece specifically say "you will not get Covid" if you are vaccinated. And the messaging from our governments here was very much firstly "you won't get it" to then "you cannot spread it" etc etc. Pfizer reported 100 % efficacy in it's early trials as a starting point. If you are going to argue that the goal posts have constantly shifted about the claims of the vaccine .. then well again see above.

If we were talking about the pre-delta and omicron Covid strain, yes. America was averaging 13,000 cases and 300 deaths in June, mostly from unvaccinated. Just to compare, those are better numbers than we had in March 2020 when the pandemic first began.

In utah we were averaging around 200 cases and 2 deaths per day. Again, one of the lowest months of the pandemic.

Facts matter.

 

[Red]

It goes for the claims being made by a large number of Democrats, including Biden, of all future elections being illegitimate if the voting rights act isn't passed. All of it is the same lie and everyone telling this lie should be condemned for it.

Heeding Steve Bannon’s Call, Election Deniers Organize to Seize Control of the GOP — and Reshape America’s Elections

The stolen election myth inspired thousands of Trump supporters to take over the Republican Party at the local level, exerting more partisan influence on how elections are run.

www.propublica.org

Republican Lawmakers Seek New Powers Over Elections • Stateline

This is part three of Stateline’s 2022 State of the States series. The pervasive myths of a stolen 2020 presidential election and widespread voter fraud are still dominant in many state legislatures, as Republican policymakers call for more investigations and reshape election administration in a...

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