Jazz acquire NAW and Juancho Hernangomez for Ingles, Hughes, and two 2nd round picks.

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Here's an example where in NAW's highlights he's playing off the ball. He's a guy who CAN play point guard if necessary, but he's not a high-level point guard. It would be like playing Tyler Herro or Alec Burks at point guard, imo.

If Herro or Burks absolutely sucked at getting buckets, sure.

 

[idiot]

Where do you get these? I google for 3 whole minutes and couldn't find it.

NBA.com's stat site is not very intuitive to find stuff. But you can find the Suns' chart here and the Warriors' here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Herro or Burks absolutely sucked at getting buckets, sure.

But what about the sizzle reel highlights… he shoots 100% ya dummy.

I have low hopes for him. Just seems weird that everyone is squinting trying to figure out what the master plan is when it was essentially a salary dump with a lotto ticket. NAW does not factor into to some grand scheme.

 

[LogGrad98]

NBA.com's stat site is not very intuitive to find stuff. But you can find the Suns' chart here and the Warriors' here.

Cool thanks.

 

[infection]

But what about the sizzle reel highlights… he shoots 100% ya dummy.

I have low hopes for him. Just seems weird that everyone is squinting trying to figure out what the master plan is when it was essentially a salary dump with a lotto ticket. NAW does not factor into to some grand scheme.

We have been calculating this precise moment since 2015. We have the rest of the league exactly where we want them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We have been calculating this precise moment since 2015. We have the rest of the league exactly where we want them.

Looked at the numbers... that $5M next year is really problematic. Puts us like $8M-9M over the tax if we only fill out the roster with minimum guys. So to slide all the way under the tax you need to move JC into someone's cap space without taking back any salary. Then don't use any exceptions. Or you move Bogey into someone's space and use some space to bring back Paschall or a FA. The teams you would trade Mike to are likely over the cap...

So you either take on another tax bill and move into the repeater category or lose JC and likely Eric (maybe he doesn't get much)... or Bogey... or you find a home for Gay and NAW without giving up too much. You might be able to move Gay and then JC for a little returning salary... but the extra $5M kinda makes the degree of difficulty that much harder. I could see us being able to move JC for less returning salary and moving Gay into someones cap space fairly easily.

Maybe NAW gets in and has a good game when someone is hurt and OKC wants his salary for next year to unite him with SGA... but man I don't love the downside of that flier... and no one is really talking about it much (I mean you are of course).

 

[infection]

Looked at the numbers... that $5M next year is really problematic. Puts us like $8M-9M over the tax if we only fill out the roster with minimum guys. So to slide all the way under the tax you need to move JC into someone's cap space without taking back any salary. Then don't use any exceptions. Or you move Bogey into someone's space and use some space to bring back Paschall or a FA. The teams you would trade Mike to are likely over the cap...

So you either take on another tax bill and move into the repeater category or lose JC and likely Eric (maybe he doesn't get much)... or Bogey... or you find a home for Gay and NAW without giving up too much. You might be able to move Gay and then JC for a little returning salary... but the extra $5M kinda makes the degree of difficulty that much harder. I could see us being able to move JC for less returning salary and moving Gay into someones cap space fairly easily.

Maybe NAW gets in and has a good game when someone is hurt and OKC wants his salary for next year to unite him with SGA... but man I don't love the downside of that flier... and no one is really talking about it much (I mean you are of course).

It was the most short-sighted salary move we've ever made. If it had been more anticipated, and the opportunity hadn't arisen quickly when Portland obtained him (and subsequently looked to dump him), we perhaps would have thought this through a little more.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It was the most short-sighted salary move we've ever made. If it had been more anticipated, and the opportunity hadn't arisen quickly when Portland obtained him (and subsequently looked to dump him), we perhaps would have thought this through a little more.

I mean at the point that you have to send out 2nd rounders and put yourself well past the LT threshold next year just to keep the guys already under contract and fill out the roster spots... maybe just keep Joe?

I think there is a possibility that NAW is as useful as Cold Matthew and Joe doesn't come back. What a ****ing goose-egg for the organization in that case.

I'll send thoughts and prayers that this turns out to be a good decision but we all know how useful that is.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Have there been any rumors about deals the jazz almost made or deals that fell through? Players the jazz tried to trade for, any of those types of details?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It was the most short-sighted salary move we've ever made. If it had been more anticipated, and the opportunity hadn't arisen quickly when Portland obtained him (and subsequently looked to dump him), we perhaps would have thought this through a little more.

Saves us 12M this year but might cost 20M next year. I mean the chance that either a cap space team or a team with a trade exception big enough to take JC that would want him is low. Bogey is an asset but if you are dumping money you are sucking any on court value out of the trade for cash considerations.

I think DL left but maybe the cap genius is still around? Dumping 3-4M in salary is just so much easier than dumping 9-10M. Its not my money so only reason I care is it stops us from doing basketball stuff. If you told me they will spend and improve regardless then I don't give one eff... but all the evidence points to it prohibiting our moves.

Maybe you can flip him to OKC at the draft but if you could do that then you should have done it this year and avoided the tax. Just such a strange deal. It would have made more sense to try and move Joe for an expiring deal in the 10M range like Sato.

For this reason I think you may see NAW end up getting some PT when Ainge gets off the golf course one day and forces Quin to stick him in the rotation.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It just says that either they are kinda operating like the couple using a credit card for their vacation and are making short term financial moves... or they save the money now and big changes are coming this offseason that allow them to drop below the tax.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Have there been any rumors about deals the jazz almost made or deals that fell through? Players the jazz tried to trade for, any of those types of details?

There was a rumor that the Jazz had a potential trade with Sacramento lined up that then fell apart when Ingles got injured. Not sure what it was though. It was an open secret that the Jazz were interested in Harrison Barnes and Josh Richardson. There might have been some discussion about Marcus Smart, but he can't shoot and his contract extension is a beast.