The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[babe]

Okay. The money gets frozen and then at some point unfrozen and returned. In the meantime Putin can float them so that they don't feel too much personal pain.

Pretty sure Russia's oligarchs have covered their bets pretty good, in many places rather than the City of London. Maybe a few have secret alliances and loyalties with the West, but Putin has been looking at that sort and discouraging them so far as he knows how. We're not going to win this by financial moves. Nobody in the whole damn world really trusts London or the US anymore. We are not their safety net or destination in a time of trouble.

You're wrong but even if you were correct and we hurt the Russian billionaires, so what? Do you think the Russian billionaires who will do anything to live in the west are going to rise up to throw Putin out of power? The Russian billionaires are very much keeping their heads down and hoping Putin doesn't take an interest in whatever they have. Connect the dots for us in how hurting Russian billionaires leads to Russia removing troops. Is there any depth at all to your train of thought or are you just parroting something you read?

Some say Putin may be vulnerable from within, and that is a real issue I think. Not that anyone is going to just overtly take that stand right now. They will perhaps exploit Putin's weakness if he does something stupid like just invade Ukraine outright. Putinj will win if he just lets refugees come in and takes care of them. He will be a humanitarian. Zelensky will win if he stops his military from pushing them out or negotiates some settlement. Biden will win if nothing happens other than those two resultgs because he will claim to have glob al leadership.

NATO will win if nothing happens, and they agree to take in no more countries unless Russia comes in too. The only point rto all that would be to make Russia more of a Western Ally than a Chinese ally. China would back off from a lot of aggressive plans if we all did that. Talk about a security or containment policy.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think Biden has handled this very poorly. He speaks like it's a forgone conclusion that Putin will invade so why wouldn't Putin take that as permission?

Most of the foreign policy experts I’ve read say quite the opposite. First, Putin has amassed thousands of troops at the border. This would be a very costly bluff. Second, Biden has helped rally the west in hopes that this would pressure Putin to back down. If he doesn’t, then he and his oligarchs should expect severe sanctions. The alternative would to basically ignore Russian aggression and then where would this stop? Once putin has invaded Estonia? Latvia? Belorussia? Finland? Poland? Thirdly, it’s to preempt the Russian disinformation campaign where they blame Ukraine for their invasion.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You're wrong but even if you were correct and we hurt the Russian billionaires, so what? Do you think the Russian billionaires who will do anything to live in the west are going to rise up to throw Putin out of power? The Russian billionaires are very much keeping their heads down and hoping Putin doesn't take an interest in whatever they have. Connect the dots for us in how hurting Russian billionaires leads to Russia removing troops. Is there any depth at all to your train of thought or are you just parroting something you read?

Yes. Absolutely. Like any crime family, cut off the money and these folks are going to start eating each other. Putin is only as strong as his oligarchs want him to be. Spoil the money making enterprise? They’ll dump his ***. Absolutely these oligarchs will find a way to put some radioactive element in some Putin tea if it means freeing their assets so they can live in Londongrad buying off western politicians again.

Like… we’re aware of the last 100 years of Russian history, right??? If there’s one constant with Russian history it’s that their leaders typically don’t last very long. Putin has been the exception, but the rules of gravity might soon apply once again if he leads an already unsteady Russia into a costly war with Ukraine.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Putin is not going to just going to take a permanent vacation in South Pacific resort. You are actually saying you favor a war of aggression. Unprovoked aggression. You imagine we have generals and stuff to just do that whenever we want.

That attitude is what Putin has been looking at for two decades already.

You could say he has brought this on himself by not letting western business flourish in Russia, but he preferred that to myriads of lines of influence undermining Russian sovereignty. He came to that decision looking at how we do business worldwide, including China.

Xi made the other decision because he thought he could manage us well enough. And he has.

I have no idea what the **** you’re talking about. It’s like you’re speaking some foreign language. America isn’t the one with hundreds of thousands of troops on the Ukrainian border so I don’t know where you get off that america is the aggressor here.

Where do you get your information?

 

[Deleted member 365]

You shouldn't. What you should do is verify that what I've said is actual verifiable history. See for yourself if Russia rolled in to take Crimea in 2014. See for yourself if Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko asked the US for weapons and if Obama refused the request. See for yourself if traditionally left-leaning publications like the NY Times and Washington Post have reported on German pressure being the cause for the refused request.




I don't believe that anyone does themselves any favors by refusing to look for secondary sources. I don't think any single source is worth that much confidence.

It’s pretty funny how the stuff you say is easily found by most media sources and fact-checking sources as false. Well done Capt Dumbass

 

[str8line]

Most of the foreign policy experts I’ve read say quite the opposite. First, Putin has amassed thousands of troops at the border. This would be a very costly bluff. Second, Biden has helped rally the west in hopes that this would pressure Putin to back down. If he doesn’t, then he and his oligarchs should expect severe sanctions. The alternative would to basically ignore Russian aggression and then where would this stop? Once putin has invaded Estonia? Latvia? Belorussia? Finland? Poland? Thirdly, it’s to preempt the Russian disinformation campaign where they blame Ukraine for their invasion.

He's ancient and feeble. You gotta have at least a little tough talk. What exactly will the repercussions be? Spell it out. These come across as the words of a toothless man:


This:

"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera," Biden said Wednesday during his press conference.


And this:

At a press conference on Friday, US President Joe Biden said that he was "convinced" that Russian President Vladimir Putin would launch an attack into Ukraine in the coming days.

"As of this moment, I'm convinced he's made the decision. We have reason to believe that," Biden said at the conference, which came after his call with European leaders.

"We believe that they will target Ukraine's capital of Kyiv, a city of 2.8 million innocent people," Biden said. "We're calling out Russia's plans loudly, repeatedly, not because we want a conflict, but because we're doing everything in our power to remove any reason that Russia may give to justify invading Ukraine and prevent them from moving."

When pressed after his remarks, Biden said that the determination had been made because of the US's "significant intelligence capability," and that the invasion would likely take place in the "coming days."

 

[Deleted member 365]

Hmmm



And yet the far right and left will find a way to blame the west.

 

[Deleted member 365]

He's ancient and feeble. You gotta have at least a little tough talk. What exactly will the repercussions be? Spell it out. These come across as the words of a toothless man:


This:

"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera," Biden said Wednesday during his press conference.


And this:

At a press conference on Friday, US President Joe Biden said that he was "convinced" that Russian President Vladimir Putin would launch an attack into Ukraine in the coming days.

"As of this moment, I'm convinced he's made the decision. We have reason to believe that," Biden said at the conference, which came after his call with European leaders.

"We believe that they will target Ukraine's capital of Kyiv, a city of 2.8 million innocent people," Biden said. "We're calling out Russia's plans loudly, repeatedly, not because we want a conflict, but because we're doing everything in our power to remove any reason that Russia may give to justify invading Ukraine and prevent them from moving."

When pressed after his remarks, Biden said that the determination had been made because of the US's "significant intelligence capability," and that the invasion would likely take place in the "coming days."

Jesus. It’s hard to tell whether you’re trolling or actually this naive/cynical.

Use Google for ****’s sakes. Or read any major article from The Times, Post, or BBC.

It’s pretty clear what the consequences will be:

• Devastating sanctions and increases of NATO forces in Europe.
• Putin will bring NATO to his doorstep if he proceeds with this invasion. NATO member countries will be bolstered militarily to combat the new Russian threat.

Cmon man, read some articles instead of just bitching about him. I know you wanted someone younger. I know you probably wanted Mayor Pete, Yang, or someone different. But he won the primary and he’s doing what he can to work through the UN and NATO to confront Europe’s greatest threat since 1962. He’s doing what any good American president should do, try to unite Europe and bring sanctions to those who hate them the most (Russian oligarchs). Building up NATO forces which will make a military response from NATO all the more likely in case Russia tries to invade (member) countries.

Biden issues stark Ukraine warning as Russia threatens ‘military-technical’ action

On a dizzying day of developments, the West accuses Moscow of seeking an excuse to attack.

www.politico.eu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/20/ukraine-russia-invasion-sanctions-blinken/

Biden says US ready to give 'diplomacy every chance to succeed' in defusing Russia-Ukraine crisis

President Joe Biden on Tuesday made an appeal for diplomacy to continue as the world watches to see if Russian President Vladimir Putin orders an invasion of neighboring Ukraine, but also warned that a Russian attack on Ukraine will "be met with overwhelming international condemnation."

www.cnn.com

 

[Deleted member 365]

I noticed this as well. Bernie sanders is being attacked for being “too conservative” and some are even calling him a neo con for this tweet. This is where the far left and the far right (which is becoming mainstream right) make our politics to be so dumb. When Bernie sanders is too conservative for you… my goodness…

 

[Al-O-Meter]

It’s pretty funny how the stuff you say is easily found by most media sources and fact-checking sources as false. Well done Capt Dumbass

Thank you for proving to everyone that you don't bother to read.

Yes. Absolutely. Like any crime family, cut off the money and these folks are going to start eating each other. Putin is only as strong as his oligarchs want him to be.

You have no clue how Russia works. The richest, most powerful oligarch in Russia was Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Putin decided he wanted Khodorskovsky's oil company and so took it and put Khodorskovsky in prison. At least Khodorkovsky didn't accidentally ingest polonium-210. There is no oligarch or group of oligarchs who will stand up to Putin to make him withdraw his troops.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Just love how ignorant academic twats who've never gotten out of their ivory towers or had any real world experience can vouch for their google searches being their tool of enlightenment that allows them the understanding of all political conflicts and posturing

 

[Deleted member 365]

Thank you for proving to everyone that you don't bother to read.

Your posts? I rarely do. Why? Because in the past when I’ve tried to read your points, I found that you constantly lie, spin, and ignore the points brought by everyone else. No matter what, you see things as a zero sum game, an argument to be won. You still insist on arguing long after the argument has already been lost (like the democracy thread). It doesn’t matter whether most on the board disagree with you, you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed by one Brow, or destroyed with far more credible sources (like Fiona Hill). You still think you’re right and everyone else is wrong. So yes, you’re right, I rarely read your posts but the ones I do are so mind numbing in their ignorance and bias.