The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[babe]

But you did not pass on the chance to accuse me of wanting war. You did not pass on the chance to thereby imply that I want to see the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Ukrainians, which is what this war will bring. My wife and I were watching the coverage yesterday. I found myself shedding tears. I’m not ashamed to admit it, I thought “the world is hurting so much, so much, why is this madman doing this”? And I cried. I’m doing the same now, damn it! While talking to another madman, with the balls to ask ME to be reasonable. So go ahead and report me, as you mused you might do. You can rot in hell…..

Crying doesn't change anything. If you are a cheerleader for a broad set of elitist causes, and willing to support their political agenda, and that agenda is pushing in a way that provokes Putin, you are part of all that.

I claim to have a view that is independent, and objective, in dealing with the complex issues and conflicting rhetoric.

I didn't think Putin would take the steps he's taken, though he claims he's de-escalating potential conflict. I thought his method would be to get us into negotiations that would resolve it all.

Rhetoric aside, which is pretty hot right now, I really don't think Putin can take Ukraine. I don't think negotiations, even now, will result in permanent new countries in Luhansk and Donetsk. Turkey claims to want friendship with Russia and still condemns Putin's moves. Putin would do well to negotiate his way out here. but we need to give him the terms. No NATO expansion. No troops, no nukes on former USSR ground. We have to honor that understanding of our agreements going back to the close of WWII>

I believe our government is doing bad diplomacy and has an agenda to reduce Russia and take their resources. The goal is to take Putin out.

China might be glad to settle for half of Russia too. who the hell knows anything here.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I claim to have a view that is independent, and objective, in dealing with the complex issues and conflicting rhetoric.

Which is laughable. You don't take an independent view. You take a completely biased anti-western pro Russia view.

 

[babe]

Trump had Michael Cohen procure business opportunities in building a Trump Tower Moscow during the 2016 election and lied about it.

Trump in Helsinki denied American intelligence and trusted Putin. He also offered American diplomats to be questioned by Russia (he offered up former Russian ambassador McFaul).

Trump openly questioned the usefulness of NATO and pirated Russian talking points regarding Ukraine. Remember when Trump accused Ukraine of hacking Democratic servers during his phone call with Zelenskiy which led to his impeachment?

It’s honestly one of the most obvious things to see. Trump has been a useful tool for Russia for quite some time.

I think all those views are exaggerated, if not outright lies.

I wasn't there on any of those events, and I don't believe CNN or NBC or ABC, or almost anybody. No idea or opinion is any better than the information that supports it.

There is, objectively, a real set of people and their relationships that is driving a narrative here. Lying, I'd say.

 

[babe]

Which is laughable. You don't take an independent view. You take a completely biased anti-western pro Russia view.

What facts would all line up to support that.
The first casualty of war is truth, and you are losing it.

 

[lauriandres]

It is sad that both Pakistan and Iran have praised Putin's invasion. I thoguht, that Pakistan has tried really hard to show that "we are perfectly OK country, come visit us" and that Iran has learnt something since they killed those in UIA 752 flight in 2020.

 

[babe]

If the world were run by a simple cohesive clique of master influencers, all happily gathering around a UN punchbowl, I'd expect all the elitists to have their people there.

The fact that the UN has never been very effective in making the world better for everyone may not really be the point around that punchbowl.

The fact that elites keep getting richer is the point.

Putin has called that clique out as "thugs" because of NATO expansion and the 2014 disruption, coup, in Ukraine, which was engineered and paid for with Western help, and which I think "stole" a client state from his retinue of hangers-on.

Why would he be treated that way.

In every clique or elite set, there is a kind of cannibalism that goes on, a scramble to consolidate power in fewer and fewer hands. In this case, it's all about Russian oil.

I don't think Putin is worse than the Rockefellers, or the Brits. About the same, really.

We don't need to go to war for these perps.

 

[babe]

It is sad that both Pakistan and Iran have praised Putin's invasion. I thoguht, that Pakistan has tried really hard to show that "we are perfectly OK country, come visit us" and that Iran has learnt something since they killed those in UIA 752 flight in 2020.

Pakistan vs. India may be a consideration in that. Iran and Russia, China and Afghanistan.

If I get into Putin's head and try to analyze or explain why he is doing what he's doing, I'm called out as supporting Putin.

Our CFR folks have made a huge mistake, and that mistake hurts Americans. Our media is not serving us well. Our politicians are not doing us well either.

 

[babe]

So, Putin has gone into areas where the locals are '"on his side" whether that came about with his efforts or not. He is bombing military stuff, claiming to be reducing the capacities for civilian deaths. We don't have a response. Well, rhetoric, yes.

I think that means he knows he has the capacity to carry this out. Maybe he has some missiles or defenses capable of handling what we have.

He believes we will just negotiate.

He believes he will get a deal he wants.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?


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I have friends from the Ukraine who's families are still there. I am saddened by how they are right in the targets and will suffer for all of this. None of this had to happen. We stand against bullying in schools. We should stand up to bullying around the planet.

Regardless, this is just a travesty and staying out means the travesty likely spreads and impacts more people. :0

 

[leftyjace]

“news” outlets are more concerned about eyeballs than reporting.

Thank heavens for the Associated Press.

 

[leftyjace]

I'm sure this series of events will foment a lot of 20/20 hindsight questions. Things like:

1. We don't live in a post-World War II world any more. So why is the other side of the world so reliant upon the United States to keep the peace, rather than people/countries on their same continent?
2. Why did Ukraine not do more to militarize and protect themselves against this issue?
3. How could anyone believe that Putin would do anything differently than he's done, given his leadership history?
4. Will the world quietly take the nuclear "threats" that Putin is making?
5. When will the US eventually graduate to a country filled with citizens that identify as Americans, and not as some other ethnic group where their ancestry hails from - thereby creating some sort of larger affection for a country other than their own, and leading to groups of citizens demanding action by the US when it may not necessarily be the smartest thing long term for the country?
6. Who invented caviar and why?
7. Will baseball ever be played again?

And before you castrate me for asking the above questions - DON'T. THEY'RE JUST FREAKING QUESTIONS. You're welcome to theorize about them or even answer them from your perspective, but if you even so much as throw any shade at me for asking the questions that should be being asked from the perspective of a United States citizen, I will report your sorry tushy.

 

[babe]

So, Putin has gone into areas where the locals are '"on his side" whether that came about with his efforts or not. He is bombing military stuff, claiming to be reducing the capacities for civilian deaths. We don't have a response. Well, rhetoric, yes.

I think that means he knows he has the capacity to carry this out. Maybe he has some missiles or defenses capable of handling what we have.

He believes we will just negotiate.

He believes he will get a deal he wants.

Well, I have to change my view on much of what I have said.

Russian troops have moved from the north, from Belarus into Ukraine. Al Jazeera says Russia took the Chernobyl site, what for who knows. People are fleeing Kiev. Looks like the bombing has gone to infrastructure, not just military, and a kit if ctber attacjs,

People in Moscow are protesting the war.

Biden says Putin chose war, and it looks now to me like that is right.

Even if we don't get involved, this is a mistake for Putin, probably means he will fail politically at home. Can't affort re-occupation of the former satellite countries.

Biden made a big mistake shutting down our oil production the way he did. Well, if it's not a planned transformation of America away from oil.