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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Remember when Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine only to be released if they dug up dirt on Joe Biden and his son? Seems like that was pretty important. Also, remember how Trump promised that in a 2nd term he’d get the United States out of NATO? Gee, I wonder who would’ve benefitted from that? That 2020 election was pivotal in maintaining democracy for the west. Suddenly, tax policy doesn’t seem all that important when you consider what he would’ve done to the post World War II order. Right?

This book is one of the best ones I’ve read on Trump’s presidency. It’s haunting

www.independent.co.uk

Trump was planning to withdraw US from Nato and ditch South Korea alliance, according to new book

‘Yeah, the second term. We’ll do it in the second term,’ then-president reportedly said
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
If true I think it’s proving that Russia is becoming more and more desperate

 
sirkickyass said:
checking in to see where this board was at.

I will tell you guys that I've personally been checking in with roughly two dozen people I know in Ukraine personally over the last few days. The situation is horrible.

Actual stuff I fielded just today:

The place I froze my eggs was destroyed;

My family has no cell service - can you help me get them walkie talkies so they can talk to each other;

I took my child to Romania to escape war, but I only have enough money to get a hotel for tonight;

My brother is getting drafted but they don't have a flak jacket for him;

I have to pick which cat to take underground because I can't carry them all

I've sent over $2,000 worth of cash and services to people in the country trying to get out in the last 24 hours. It's barely making a dent.

This isn't a political game. This is real people who are getting their whole lives blown up by a monster. Domestic politics is irrelevant at this point. Please open your wallets and your hearts and donate here: https://unitedhelpukraine.org/
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Excellent. Thanks for posting. Donating right now.

I’m curious how you think this plays out?

Ukrainians aren’t going to look at Russia in the same way for the next 50+ years, right? That’s completely changed over the past week. It’ll probably change even further the longer this goes and the bloodier it becomes.

It’s going to be hard for Putin to quickly install a puppet regime, right? I’d think the regime would look illegitimate from the get go and face strong resistance. If Zelensky dies, he dies a martyr. If he lives, he’ll be seen as the legitimate leader of the government, not mini Vlad installed by his Russian handlers.

If Russia gets bogged down into urban warfare and/or a bloody occupation trying to maintain a puppet regime while fighting off an insurgency then this will bleed them dry. Not to mention the economic fallout from all of this…

How does Putin extricate himself from the mess he just created?

Did Putin just collapse his house of cards finally? I haven’t seen the west this United behind a cause since 9/11. Haven’t seen NATO this popular in decades either. Putin has helped unite the west and has made NATO relevant again! Nice job! As Trump recently said, “Putin is a genius!”

I don’t believe Russia has been engaged in a bloody unpopular war like this since Afghanistan. If Ukrainian democracy survives and Russia autocracy collapses, this could be a real game changer for this century. I’m probably getting ahead of myself now.

I hope Ukraine survives another dark cold right and that pressure inside of Russia builds to end this conflict. War is hell. Ukrainians deserve better. They’ve been through enough already.
 
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Are cracks beginning to form? I know they’re a tiny minority in the Duma. But could this be the start of stopping this invasion? One can only hope

 
Is it too soon to remind Americans about this?

www.npr.org

2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support

A Republican delegate to the convention says a Trump campaign aide claimed Trump had directed him to weaken support for U.S. aid to Ukraine. Congressional investigators are looking into it.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Now who would’ve wanted less assistance to Ukraine? Hmmmm? Any guesses? Hmmmm?

President Trump may have been involved with a change to the Republican Party campaign platform last year that watered down support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine, according to new information from someone who was involved.

Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform.
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I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Trump weakened support for Ukraine while Manafort fed Russians internal polling data and Russians ratcheted up their disinformation campaign for his benefit. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

There really needs to be a sustained political price for this. If Americans give the keys back to the car to Republicans in 22 and re-elect trump in 2024, all of these sanctions against Russia and support for NATO and Ukraine will dissolve. Our domestic politics has a direct effect on the international order. Imagine if trump had been re-elected. He’d be helping putin right now by attacking our Allies, refusing to enact sanctions, and kissing Putin’s ***. You think the guy calling Putin a genius the other day would be enacting sanctions or shipping military aid to ukraine?

www.nytimes.com

Trump, again cozying up to Putin, praises Russian aggression as ‘genius.’

In a radio interview, the former president also described Russian troops along the Ukrainian border as peacekeepers.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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How much of this takeover is about arable land? China doesn't have much of it.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Ukraine can feed the world

The launch of an agricultural land market will leave Ukraine well placed to assume an ever-greater role in global food security, says Ukraine's Minister of Agrarian Policy Roman Leshchenko.
www.atlanticcouncil.org www.atlanticcouncil.org

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The Thriller said:
There really needs to be a sustained political price for this. If Americans give the keys back to the car to Republicans in 22 and re-elect trump in 2024, all of these sanctions against Russia and support for NATO and Ukraine will dissolve. Our domestic politics has a direct effect on the international order. Imagine if trump had been re-elected.
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You are so completely unhinged from reality. Trump enacted more sanctions against Russia, Russian companies, and Russian oligarchs than any President in history. Biden came in to office and eased sanctions against Russia. Trump slapped sanctions on anyone helping Russia build the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and Biden got rid of those sanctions. You live in opposite world. Trump is the only Preisdent among the last four to keep Putin in check and that is recognized by the majority of Americans.

Americans have imagined if Trump had been reelected and per the Gallup poll that just came out 62% of them think Russia would have never moved on Ukraine. That includes almost 40% of Democrats who think if Trump would have been in office he would have stopped Putin from invading Ukraine. Trump is many things but weak isn't one of them.

news.gallup.com

U.S. Public Sees Russia-Ukraine Conflict as Critical Threat

Fifty-two percent of Americans see the Russia-Ukraine conflict as a vital threat to U.S. interests, while U.S. sympathies lay largely with Ukraine. A record 85% view Russia unfavorably, while 62% view Ukraine positively.
news.gallup.com news.gallup.com
 
Just saw on the news at the gym that the UN (a group of countries) gave 20 million to Ukraine. Also saw that yesterday the US gave 350 million to Ukraine.
 
fishonjazz said:
Just saw on the news at the gym that the UN (a group of countries) gave 20 million to Ukraine. Also saw that yesterday the US gave 350 million to Ukraine.
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WTF is 20 million gonna do? They should be trying to broker a ceasefire and get some ****ing peace keepers on the ground. 20 million? That's 20 javelin missiles....
 
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