Who are the sexual predators?
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Do all the conservabots get ignorant talking points from the same source?
Child molesters thrive on secrecy. The Florida bill says one of it's goals is to prevent discussion. If teachers can't talk to kids about good touches and bad touches, that's a big win for child molesters.
Disney also assumed responsibility for many government functions in exchange for their carve-out. It's going to cost the government much more in services than they'll make in taxes.
So, why are the Republicans doing both with the Florida law?
Al-O-Meter
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Those sexual predators would be people who would abuse their position of trust in the education system to expose children in kindergarten through third grade to sex-related subject matter not deemed age or developmentally appropriate by the state board of education as is outlined in lines 97-101 of the law. The majority of parents agree with that. The majority of voters agree with that.
This is what's wrong with you. GFYS.
This isn't a thing you ****ing nitwit.
For every decent contribution you make you have way too much of this garbage *** nonsense.
Could you offer a more specific example? How do you reconcile enabling child molesters with this law? As George Takei recently tweeted, we were all "groomed" to be heterosexual as kids, and it had no effect on us; why should any other sort of exposure have an effect?
Al-O-Meter
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#1) That is what the legislation does.
#2) That is what Disney opposed.
#3) That is what is popular with parents and Florida voters.
You can argue that the legislation was unneeded and done only as a political stunt. You may even be correct but that doesn't change 1, 2, or 3. Florida did the political stunt which made it harder for sexual predators to groom kids in K-3. Disney took a look at the bill and didn't say "this never happens", but instead said "we demand this bill making it harder to groom kids in K-3 is repealed and we are going to lobby other states to make sure they don't make it hard for sexual predators to groom kids in K-3 in their states". It was a monumentally stupid thing for Disney to have done. What is worse is that Disney has implied the LGBTQ community ARE sexual predators by citing them as their reason to oppose this anti-sexual predator bill.
Do you think the LGBTQ community are all sexual predators? I don't.
Do you think the bill outlawed saying the word "gay" in Florida? I don't.
Do you think it was smart for Disney to demand that it be easier for sexual predators to use schools to prey on young kids? I don't.
I think the current political climate where anything the Republicans do must be forcefully opposed by the Democrats has led to a humorous situation after Florida Republicans proposed anti-sexual predator legislation, and that is exactly what the legislation in question is. At this point I wonder what Democrats would do if DeSantis demanded that no one jump off a cliff to their death.
As for the law striking down Disney's special carve out, I think that too is a stunt and won't stand. I predict Disney will take it to court and it will get struck down on First Amendment grounds as a retaliation for Disney exercising its constitutionally protected freedom of speech.
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QAnon, duh. It's everywhere! Your 85 year old neighbor mowing his lawn? He is looking for children to steal. That nice couple down the street with the 3 kids playing in the yard? Pedophiles who bought those kids from Hillary Clinton directly, and they were stolen from poor families in Alabama. Pull your head out and see the truth! The "mormon bishop" who lives on the next block, but for some reason always votes democrat? Obviously the satanic head of the local cabal. Seriously man the evidence is everywhere!
Okay. I'll try to either read the legislation or get an unbiased breakdown that covers more than the nasty bits that have been thrown at me by agenda driven sources. Until then I'm not in a position to really discuss it in a meaningful way.
Thank you for your response.
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This is really creating a fake problem as a scare tactic to force through a stupid "solution" that fixes nothing, yet drives a bigoted political agenda. Where is the evidence of rampant grooming of 1st through 3rd graders in Florida by pedophiles? Is this a pedophile epidemic in Florida that needs immediate correction? How many kids are being groomed and molested in school between 1st and 3rd grade in Florida? If the problem is so big that laws like this are needed to stop the rampant "grooming" going on, you would think that a full-fledged sting operation would net hundreds of pedophiles among the teacher of K-3 in Florida. Exactly what problem does this solve and where is the evidence this was ever a problem to begin with?
In my opinion what parents agree with is a very nebulous thing. Put enough out there to scare them and they will believe anything and fight for it tooth and nail. Go ask how many parents think their children will immediately be kidnapped if they walk more than a block unsupervised and I guarantee the number is pretty damn high, probably well over 50%. All while the statistics for stranger abductions have been basically flat for going on 6 decades. Nothing has changed in this statistic between 1980, when at the age of 10 my mom and dad allowed me to ride my bike from Ogden to Layton to visit my cousins, and 2014 when we allowed our 13 year old daughter to ride her bike 5 blocks straight down a single street, and has CPS called on us for endangering our child and the police actually showed up and questioned us. Wait, one thing did change. In 1980 every single child abduction world-wide did not make the news in Utah, just the local ones, or egregious ones, and they are very few and far between, so it wasn't viewed as an issue. And frankly, it isn't. Child abduction by strangers is ridiculously low like nearly on the order of lightning strikes or something. But in the information age, every single abduction world-wide gets shared along with helpful fear-mongering "editorial" headlines like "YOUR CHILD IS NEXT, PREDATORS LURKING AROUND EVERY CORNER", so the frequency and fear factors are ramped up exponentially, hence parents believe it is the gravest of threats. Hence, CPS gets called if a neighbor decides your kid riding her bike more than 20 feet from your house without your constant supervision represents child neglect, and warrants a call to the police.
Kidnapped children make headlines, but abduction is rare in U.S.
A 13-year-old Wisconsin girl who escaped her captor this week nearly three months after her parents were killed and she was kidnapped has drawn international headlines, but abductions of children by strangers remain rare, according to U.S. data.
www.reuters.com
If you put enough fear behind it you can get parents to believe any fake thing you want them to. It's not hard. Look at vaccines. The list goes on and on. Just because parents agree with it does not mean it is 1) a valid threat or issue and 2) it is the best thing for the kids.
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Al-O-Meter
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The entire text of the legislation is fairly short at only 163 lines.
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True, but in this case the fake thing was the claim that it was a "don't say gay" bill. What is popular is the actual text of the bill. The actual text of the bill has popular support among Republicans, Independent voters, Democrats, Trump 2020 voters, Biden 2020 voters, and even those who know someone LGBTQ. It is an anti-sexual predator legislation.
Nearly everyone I come across who opposes this bill hasn't actually read the bill.
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You skipped entirely the part of my post asking for the evidence this is addressing any known problem and how it will solve that problem.
Let me simplify in one sentence, see if that can be addressed.
Al-O-Meter
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I skipped it because it isn't interesting. It isn't my bill or a thing I have championed. I also don't live in Florida. Generally speaking I like control of things such as curriculum to be as local as possible even when that works against my own personal values.
As I mentioned, the Florida bill (now law, IIRC) makes it easier for child molesters by encouraging secrecy. Are there some other predators you are concerned with?
I think the Daily Cartoonist has it right:
CSotD: Lovers, haters and groomers – The Daily Cartoonist
www.dailycartoonist.com
“Groomer” is the new term for “N*****-Lover.”
It's a pro-sexual-predator bill, by trying to eliminate discussion of molestation, among other things.
Here's the line from the preamble showing the goals of "Don't say gay":
Show me any actual provision in the law that prevents child predators from operating. I'll wait. Keep in mind, over half the molesters of young children are family members, and this law is almost entirely about giving parent more control over what the schools can talk to young kids about. It's a child molester's dream bill.
Do I think any of the things you listed accurately reflect the bill? I don't.
I'm sure you acknowledge the numerous bipartisan things that occur, and the occasional reflexive opposition of Republicans to Democratic proposals.0
Possibly, although they wrote the law to affect any such district established after 1967 (are there others?), and Disney has no right to have such a district.
It is very helpful legislation for child molesters.
Al-O-Meter
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I see. So you think loving ethnically African people is equivalent to molesting children. Comments like this are what I refer to when I wondered what Democrats would do if DeSantis demanded that no one should jump off cliffs to their deaths.
This is completely intellectually dishonest.
I think you're not nearly as stupid as this comment sounds. No one use n******-lover as a compliment, or even a plain description. The people who did use it seemed to consider it to be almost as bad a child molestation.
Comments like yours make me wonder what I would do if you actually responded to the principal point of my post, which is that the Florida law enables child molesters, especially if they are parents/guardians. Nothing to rebut that? Did you find one sentence in the law itself that makes it easier to find or prosecute molesters? Because I saw several that makes it easier for them to hide.
Bucknutz
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Where in the bill does it enable child molesters?
I'm curious.
Do you know the method by which OB suggested it enabled/protected child molesters, specifically ones directly related to the child? I'm not asking if he's right or if he's wrong. I'm asking if you know what it was about the bill that he suggested protected them?