How good or bad is Enes Kanter. Really.
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GVC
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He did twice as many reps as Dwight Howard did pre-draft. 14 reps is legit, and Jimmer is strong. Kanter's strength isn't primarily in his upper body anyway. Dude's lower body is huge. He had absolutely no trouble backing down everyone this summer, including a few NBA centers (Gasol, Kaman, Noah).
Look, Kanter is largely an unknown, but so is JV. Jonas is going to have a lot of trouble staying on the court if he can't hold his ground, which seemed like a real problem this summer. Kanter's going to have to refine his post moves, and continue to get stronger, since he's not an explosive athlete (there's a good chance his shot gets swatted a lot this year). I think Kanter's built more for the NBA, but both these guys have a lot of growing to do still, and Kanter's missed out on a lot of opportunities to play the last couple years (he was better than JV before he stopped playing real competitive basketball).
I thought JV was the better prospect prior to Eurobasket, but I came away much more impressed with Kanter.
spycam1
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He's talking about body strength, not necessarily the strength of his arms.
Fishsticks
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Stfu already.
You tell yourself, he filled a need, but KOC prefered to get the best pick available instead of most suitable pick, so you can't criticize him much because of this choice
MVP
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Who are you to tell me what to do? Deny facts if you can donk.
MK11
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OK, fair question for giving a try to answer.
First of all we really don't know what was their form and willing situation about a strength endurance test in draft tests.
Which one did care, which one have really trained on purpose etc. So I am not for saying anything about someone's strength just base on a bench press test.
Even if I was for...
The max strength and repetition are different things. Both of them can be increased in some limits with training. Repetition is more about endurance. As far as I know bench press test is about 190 lbs. At least I am sure it's not more than 200 lbs.
In my opinion the most important thing to call someone strong is his natural strength. Enes has that and his structure and his muscles can carry more of it.
Strength endurance also requires regular training on purpose. I could manage 75 good form push ups and 17 full chin ups in a row this late summer. Last week I tried and couldn't manage 40 and 10 of them in a row.
And now let me tell an interesting thing about this. I played basketball as an undersized sg a few years but my main talent was about soccer. I started to play it about age 5, and I played it more than 20 years regularly(half of it was semi-professional). I've seen a lot of very strong guys(a lot stronger than me) who can't beat me in push ups, bench presses and chinups. There were many bulls who barely can do 20 regular pushups. But most of those bulls were able to beat me in arm wrestling(I am not a bad arm wrestler by the way). And I always knew that if they were trained on strength endurance
they would do push ups etc just many as I could do. Because strength endurance limits are not variable as much as max strength or strength capacity.
Now about Enes. With true training in purpose of max amount of bench pressing, he would do just fine as much as any pro athlete do. And with true training in purpose of max strength, he can twirl a package of three Jimmer Fredette in air three times and throw it 30 feet away. And you know what, Jimmer can't do that! Because max strength limits are way more variable to the person than strength endurance limits are.
All I want now for Enes is him being in a true training way in purpose of good basketball.
MVP
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Bench press is about chest, shoulders and only then arms. While it is not the best indicator of overall strength it is third best compounded weight lifting exercise - so pretty good indication of general strength. I wish they would do squats and dead lifts in pre-draft workouts - that would give us better idea but still...
Basically Rytas wasn't good enough because they were beaten by the Turkish team Galatasaray in qualification round, and there was no matter of politics here, it was just basketball.
Euroleague has some standards for teams, and some teams directly go there, they have contract with the organization, some teams go there depending on their performance in their league, and Rytas basically didn't meet the requirements to be qualified directly this year. It is nonsense to show them like a very important team. I wonder when they lost CSKA by 13 pts? Not right now for sure. And do you expect every team to be beaten by CSKA by 50 margin?
You don't have strong arguments and you talk nonsense. There are some weak teams in euroleague but strong teams in eurocup? interesting, i guess it is because there are more eastern european teams in eurocup than euroleague.
If it was all about politics, Turkish Airlines wouldn't have won the name rights of any european organization.
We will see that in 2-3 years
Fishsticks
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I will tell you everyday! Never disgrace me!!
MVP
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So why then teams who did not made top 16 last year are still in Euroleague without having to go through qualigying? And to let 1 game decide which team is going to it or not is kind of BS IMHO. Make them play twice at least. Better system would be that top 16 teams stay there every year and those who did not make it play in some kind of qualifying tourney vs strongest teams from Eurocup. Same like in any domestic leagues. Weakest teams go to b division and winners of B division go to A. Very simple.