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The thing I’m looking at now is a potential Tobias Harris deal now that we have all these spare parts. The Philly pick situation is a little murky… but I think they can give up some picks with other conditions satisfied type of language. Bev, Bogey, etc for Tobias and picks is the type of buy low get some stuff type of package I’d look for.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The thing I’m looking at now is a potential Tobias Harris deal now that we have all these spare parts. The Philly pick situation is a little murky… but I think they can give up some picks with other conditions satisfied type of language. Bev, Bogey, etc for Tobias and picks is the type of buy low get some stuff type of package I’d look for.
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I’m pretty sure only pick they could trade is their 2029 pick if they got rid of the protections on the 2025/2027 1sts they sent out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The thing I’m looking at now is a potential Tobias Harris deal now that we have all these spare parts. The Philly pick situation is a little murky… but I think they can give up some picks with other conditions satisfied type of language. Bev, Bogey, etc for Tobias and picks is the type of buy low get some stuff type of package I’d look for.
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Very interesting take. I didn't expect a Tobias deal idea from you.

Very risky, but it could work. The salary difference between Conley and Tobias isn't as much as most think.

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Elizah Huge said:
Players that are better than Ayton as he is today or hell even in 2-3 years? It can happen but in all likelihood it won’t. For example, go back 5 total drafts and show me 1-2 players total who are as good or nearly as good as Ayton who was drafted in the 20’s. I already did it for you:

The best five best players drafted in the 20’s the last 5 drafts are OG Anunoby, Anfernee Simons, Jarrett Allen, Jordan Poole and Tyrese Maxey.

So if you’re lucky maybe one per draft? That’s pretty uncommon if you ask me. Are any of those guys better than Ayton?
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Players (in their prime) I like more than Ayton available in the 20's or later in the last 10 years:
Draymond Green
Khris Middleton
Rudy (****ing) Gobert in a terrible draft
Nikola Jokic
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
The 24th pick of the 2017 draft packaged with a bum to get Donovan Mitchell
Jordan Poole
Lu Dort
Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane

There are actually more players than that that I like more than Ayton. The point is not some conclusive objective analysis blah blah blah. Just that there are real players there and 2023 is supposed to be a great draft. You think rebuilds suck, I enjoy them and I think it's inevitable. I don't think Ayton in anyway aids a rebuild and I would dislike his presence in such an endeavor because he will either be good and prevent the team from bottoming out or will suck and be an underwater contract and bringing his big whatever vibes to the locker room. I think it is virtually impossible to buy-low if the contract is large enough (it seems pretty locked he's gonna make more than $100 million on his next deal), the transactional price is high enough (I don't think it's as low as people are discussing), and/or the opportunity cost is high enough ($100 million in owed salaries for a team that should be operating at or below the cap is $100 million less in space you can use to take bad contracts and picks, which I would guess nets you in the realm of 5 firsts and 10 seconds).

TLDR; we see this situation very differently.
 
Really, who says no to....

Conley for Powell and Bullock

Dallas replaces Brunson. They've already replaced Powell with Christian Wood. Losing Bullock stings a little, but Hardaway will be back.

We get two expiring role players.

The money is almost exactly the same this year.

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The most realistic trade that I think could happen today is this:

Jazz out: Bogdanovic, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st

Jazz in: Ayton

Suns out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, Crowder, 23/25/27/29 1sts, 24/26/28 pick swaps

Suns in: Kevin Durant

Nets out: Kevin Durant

Nets in: Bridges,Johnson, Crowder, Bogdanovic, 23/25/27/29 Phoenix 1sts, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st and 24/26/28 Phoenix pick swaps

Brooklyn gets 6 1sts for Durant plus Bridges/Johnson and expiring contracts.

We get Ayton for Bogey and 2 late firsts.

Phoenix gets Durant for their package and we help by pushing it over the top by adding 2 firsts to the deal.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Players (in their prime) I like more than Ayton available in the 20's or later in the last 10 years:
Draymond Green
Khris Middleton
Rudy (****ing) Gobert in a terrible draft
Nikola Jokic
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
The 24th pick of the 2017 draft packaged with a bum to get Donovan Mitchell
Jordan Poole
Lu Dort
Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane

There are actually more players than that that I like more than Ayton. The point is not some conclusive objective analysis blah blah blah. Just that there are real players there and 2023 is supposed to be a great draft. You think rebuilds suck, I enjoy them and I think it's inevitable. I don't think Ayton in anyway aids a rebuild and I would dislike his presence in such an endeavor because he will either be good and prevent the team from bottoming out or will suck and be an underwater contract and bringing his big whatever vibes to the locker room. I think it is virtually impossible to buy-low if the contract is large enough (it seems pretty locked he's gonna make more than $100 million on his next deal), the transactional price is high enough (I don't think it's as low as people are discussing), and/or the opportunity cost is high enough ($100 million in owed salaries for a team that should be operating at or below the cap is $100 million less in space you can use to take bad contracts and picks, which I would guess nets you in the realm of 5 firsts and 10 seconds).

TLDR; we see this situation very differently.
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Rebuilds do ****ing suck. We all have been through one of them already and we barely avoided another one.

We will legit suck for at minimum 4-5 years before we see the playoffs again if we dealt Mitchell for a rebuilding package. That **** sucks and it could be even longer if we everything doesn’t go to plan.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The most realistic trade that I think could happen today is this:

Jazz out: Bogdanovic, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st

Jazz in: Ayton

Suns out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, Crowder, 23/25/27/29 1sts, 24/26/28 pick swaps

Suns in: Kevin Durant

Nets out: Kevin Durant

Nets in: Bridges,Johnson, Crowder, Bogdanovic, 23/25/27/29 Phoenix 1sts, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st and 24/26/28 Phoenix pick swaps

Brooklyn gets 6 1sts for Durant plus Bridges/Johnson and expiring contracts.

We get Ayton for Bogey and 2 late firsts.

Phoenix gets Durant for their package and we help by pushing it over the top by adding 2 firsts to the deal.
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I'd be down for this. Mostly because it would hamstring the Suns for a long, long time. They would be selling their soul to the devil. I would hope DA plays a littler harder and tries to get Gay contract off the books, or include Udoka instead of a first.
 
Hearsky said:
I'd be down for this. Mostly because it would hamstring the Suns for a long, long time. They would be selling their soul to the devil. I would hope DA plays a littler harder and tries to get Gay contract off the books, or include Udoka instead of a first.
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Ideally we only send one first or send out Conley instead of Bogey or some combination of Clarkson/Beasley/Gay.
 
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